Test drove 2016 2SS Camaro today compared to Mustang GT

[68fbjjz109]

True, but they clarify it is for drag racing. It's 2400.00, and it uses SN197 spindles. They don't speak to road racing, or how well it would hold up on Michigan's wonderful roads.

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[mustang_guy]

True, but they clarify it is for drag racing. It's 2400.00, and it uses SN197 spindles. They don't speak to road racing, or how well it would hold up on Michigan's wonderful roads.

Correct. You however didnt specify that it had to be for road course or for poor streets.

Also the sn197 spindles give us more options for brake choices. Its a good idea in my opinion

 

[EcoVert]

I don't think any aftermarket companies are going to offer an aluminum cradle or aluminum control arms for the front of our cars. If they did the cost would be very very high.

We can get alot of weight out of the S550, I am going down that route currently with a goal on not compromising NVH. But you are starting at a bit of a disadvantage. Sure you can do alot to get a closer in terms of comparable power to weight.

However there is unsprung weight and such, which matters with a skilled driver, and will help inspire confidence to the unskilled. Then there is the scenario of running into a gutted 1SS.

For me personally. I think from the weight perspective and what it cost to implement many of those areas/components where the Camaro does have an advantage. I think it may be very well worth the money from the performance angle, I'll have a better idea on that in a month or so.

Maybe if your going racing but at least 90% of the people buy these cars are buying them as everyday drivers or cruisers and are not concerned with racing. That's one of many reasons the Mustang is killing camaro in sales.

 

[68fbjjz109]

Correct. You however didnt specify that it had to be for road course or for poor streets.

Also the sn197 spindles give us more options for brake choices. Its a good idea in my opinion

Who doesn't want to drive their very good looking car all around. :cheers:

My only concern with SN197 spindles would be potential for geometry changes. They went away with the original front suspension due to the fact the rear was out driving it.

 

[BmacIL]

I keep hearing if you want a S550, and haven't bought on yet. Wait till 2018. I have heard this from powertrain people, and friends that work in design office.

I also think for parts that owners are not going to swap out. Like control arms, knuckles, cradles. I think the Camaro offers alot of value there for people on the fence.

That's still at least 1 year wait from now. A long time for many. That said, it will be a nice refresh .

 

[mustang_guy]

Who doesn't want to drive their very good looking car all around. :cheers:

My only concern with SN197 spindles would be potential for geometry changes. They went away with the original front suspension due to the fact the rear was out driving it.

True but i try to not assume a state has poor roads unless someome mentions it. The latter i didnt know. Lucky im a drag racer and have nice streets i suppose. I thought bmr was working on a front kit as well.

 

[lucasszy]

Same options?

Yes.

Base car with a V8.

He did get an auto, if you want to throw that difference into the mix.

 

[9secondko]

Stock for stock, the Camaro ss outperforms the gt.

It's the way it is for now. I don't like it. But it's true.

However, in the mod game, the mustang will destroy the Camaro. No question.

But there is something to be said for stock bragging rights. And I'd like to have those back please.

It would be nice to do so without it being relegated only to Shelby class cars.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

The stock thing never bothered me. We haven't been the fastest pony car in a straight lines since 2011. The dodges were and still are faster.

 

[mustang_guy]

All i care about is most potential with the engine and we have that on lock so much its not even funny.

 

[Blk2015GT]

I call BS. Performance car buyers frequently will want to spend their money on the best performing car...or wait until the one you like gets its inevitable improvements.

It matters to me.

Why didn't you guys just buy a leftover 2014 GT?

Wha?

"Performance car" buyers are not racing stock vehicles where the .1-.2 seconds makes the difference. End of story.

This has been debated time and time again and the only idiots who care about head to head stock OEM numbers are magazine queens who race their cars from their couch by what a magazine says they are.

None of these run of the mill pony cars (not the GT350 or Z28 etc, the regular trim lines) are competing with upper 5 to 6 digit cars without being modded; or even heavily modded tuners. Unless you're racing stock Hondas and Subarus all day at a stoplight you aren't winning crap in any of the pony cars stock.

Arguably the weakest stock power numbers out of the 3 (least HP vs SS and 392 Challenger), the Mustang, it outselling the others nearly 2 to 1 every month. Numbers talk BS walks and clearly people are NOT paying more for the 'best performing car."

 

[DAVECS1]

Which track did you test them? SS vs GTPP?

Circuit of the Americas 2016 1LE and a 2017 GTPP with cradle lock outs.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Circuit of the Americas 2016 1LE and a 2017 GTPP with cradle lock outs.

Dang! You got a drive a 2016 1LE! Must be a lucky guy...

 

[cosmo]

Circuit of the Americas 2016 1LE and a 2017 GTPP with cradle lock outs.

I think you're the first person to have driven the 1le apart from the motortrend crew. Unless... Jonny Lieberman, is that you?

In all seriousness, unless you have proof of it being a 1le, it was likely a 16 SS or a 15 1LE.

 

[ZaneWayne]

I think you're the first person to have driven the 1le apart from the motortrend crew. Unless... Jonny Lieberman, is that you?

In all seriousness, unless you have proof of it being a 1le, it was likely a 16 SS or a 15 1LE.

Haha. Maybe it is Jonny L!!!!!!!!

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