Test drove 2016 2SS Camaro today compared to Mustang GT

[MRGTX]

You need to get over this...the rest of us certainly have. Whatever car you purchase will be outdated compared to it's competitors within 2 years. If you don't like it, lease your vehicles.

I agree, if you're waiting on the best car to be built you'll never buy any car because the better car is always a year or two away.

I call BS. Performance car buyers frequently will want to spend their money on the best performing car...or wait until the one you like gets its inevitable improvements.

It matters to me.

Why didn't you guys just buy a leftover 2014 GT?

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[millhouse]

I call BS. Performance car buyers frequently will want to spend their money on the best performing car...or wait until the one you like gets its inevitable improvements.

It matters to me.

Why didn't you guys just buy a leftover 2014 GT?

There is nothing to call BS on, it's just the way it goes. The big 3 have staggered releases which will ensure you're new vehicle will be outdated compared to it's competitors within 2-3 years. You can only wait so long. I personally don't get the "my car is faster than yours" or the "my car laps Willow Springs faster than yours with a professional driver". The mustang breaks the speed limit quick enough for me.

I've got news for you too. People that are truly interested in performance have no qualms voiding their factory warranty to purchase performance parts that ensure they stay on top. They put their money where there heart it...which has been overwhelmingly for the mustang. That's the reason so many people throw blowers on the mustangs.

I personally don't need to drive a 10 second daily anymore, hence the new mustang. While I liked the look of the previous gen mustangs, they really didn't do it for me. The S550 hit's the sweet spot, and with prices continually escalating, I don't think I'll likely end up buying another new vehicle...ever. I didn't buy it because it's the fastest pony car. I bought it because it's fast enough, comfortable enough, roomy enough, and dead sexy.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I agree, if you're waiting on the best car to be built you'll never buy any car because the better car is always a year or two away.

Or you'll be just like that nitwit 5.0steve that just got banned. 2015-My Mustang is the greatest car ever made! YAY. 2016-My Camaro is the Greatest car ever made. YaY. 2017 My----- Is the greatest car ever made! OH F%#K my car payment is $1400 a month because I keep trading cars every year.

 

[mustang_guy]

I call BS. Performance car buyers frequently will want to spend their money on the best performing car...or wait until the one you like gets its inevitable improvements.

It matters to me.

Why didn't you guys just buy a leftover 2014 GT?

Some wanted the interior, some wanted the new irs/suspension, some like the looks better. Some of us wanted the updated boss engine in it. Some wanted the whole package. Pick one.

 

[EcoVert]

Some wanted the interior, some wanted the new irs/suspension, some like the looks better. Some of us wanted the updated boss engine in it. Some wanted the whole package. Pick one.

Better watch out and not feed the camaro trolls to much.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Some wanted the interior, some wanted the new irs/suspension, some like the looks better. Some of us wanted the updated boss engine in it. Some wanted the whole package. Pick one.

I had a 2011GT & SS. The 15 was a huge improvement over the S197s & 5th Gen SS. That's why I bought my car.

 

[mustang_guy]

Better watch out and not feed the camaro trolls to much.

Wont be the first troll ive had interactions with and set straight.

 

[68fbjjz109]

Seeing as how there is a forum devoted to comparing the Mustang to other cars, the idea that this forum can't handle a comparison discussion against its primary rival, is pretty sad.

Look, guys. There are objective comparisons and subjective comparisons. It's entirely possible and totally fine to pick a car on purely subjective grounds. For example, I have about 300,000 Miata miles under my belt (between two cars)...objectively unremarkable performance but subjectively fantastic car.

I opted to make my second Miata better in objective measures with coil-overs, roll bar, the stickiest street tires that I could find and a Flyin Miata turbo kit. While that car was easily faster than my 3v Mustang GT and went around corners like a maniac, it lost the magic and simplicity of my first Miata.

Many of you guys (including me) have driven both the Mustang and the Camaro and didn't opt for the Camaro...which, price not withstanding, is not better on really any objective grounds. That's perfectly valid.

For me, seeing what can be achieved in this class, made me just want to hold off and see if Ford can catch up and have the best of both worlds.

Just picking the faster/quicker car isn't the deciding factor for me...but when one drives better in every single goddamn measure...yet is not as appealing to look at, to sit in, etc...it puts me in a bind.

That's where I am. You guys who own S550 Mustangs know how much power the Coyote is capable of making. You don't need to lose any sleep. I'm personally just not interested in trying to patch a deficit with another car. It hasn't worked for me in the past and it cost a ton of cash.

To clarify I was only referring to the sales thread. I have a very keen interest in the Camaro, and the new "Challenger". This segment is very hot, especial with how fast the domestics caught and are now beating the imports at their own game.

I don't get over to Camaro 6 to often, but I stick to facts when I am there. And much like Zayne I never have an issue, or have ever felt I would be banned. I haven't been out in a spirited drive in a SS yet. However some friends within the circle of friends are ditching their SRT's for them. So I will have a much better idea on how the 6GC is on the street and technical tracks like Waterford Hills.

Soon I will have a much better understand of an estimated should cost of the Camaro, and where it stands to some of it's competition. I am personally interested in both the performance, and the strategic decisions that enabled them. The long game is just as interesting to me as the short. Some of that is coming through with sales, material choices, placement of high performance models, and what makes it from the Performance variants to the whole production line.

 

[daltron]

I call BS. Performance car buyers frequently will want to spend their money on the best performing car...or wait until the one you like gets its inevitable improvements.

It matters to me.

Why didn't you guys just buy a leftover 2014 GT?

Well, if you mod, that's the Mustang.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Some wanted the interior, some wanted the new irs/suspension, some like the looks better. Some of us wanted the updated boss engine in it. Some wanted the whole package. Pick one.

he can't make up his mind just like Spartan.

Fast forward to 2020....they will still be car-less:ford:

 

[68fbjjz109]

I keep hearing if you want a S550, and haven't bought on yet. Wait till 2018. I have heard this from powertrain people, and friends that work in design office.

I also think for parts that owners are not going to swap out. Like control arms, knuckles, cradles. I think the Camaro offers alot of value there for people on the fence.

 

[mustang_guy]

he can't make up his mind just like Spartan.

Fast forward to 2020....they will still be car-less:ford:

I want to close line Spartan. He's one of the select few that make me want to smash my keyboard across their face. :lol:

 

[EcoVert]

I think the Camaro offers alot of value there for people on the fence.

And want to spend more money

 

[68fbjjz109]

And want to spend more money

I don't think any aftermarket companies are going to offer an aluminum cradle or aluminum control arms for the front of our cars. If they did the cost would be very very high.

We can get alot of weight out of the S550, I am going down that route currently with a goal on not compromising NVH. But you are starting at a bit of a disadvantage. Sure you can do alot to get a closer in terms of comparable power to weight.

However there is unsprung weight and such, which matters with a skilled driver, and will help inspire confidence to the unskilled. Then there is the scenario of running into a gutted 1SS.

For me personally. I think from the weight perspective and what it cost to implement many of those areas/components where the Camaro does have an advantage. I think it may be very well worth the money from the performance angle, I'll have a better idea on that in a month or so.

 

[mustang_guy]

I don't think any aftermarket companies are going to offer an aluminum cradle or aluminum control arms for the front of our cars. If they did the cost would be very very high.

We can get alot of weight out of the S550, I am going down that route currently with a goal on not compromising NVH. But you are starting at a bit of a disadvantage. Sure you can do alot to get a closer in terms of comparable power to weight.

However there is unsprung weight and such, which matters with a skilled driver, and will help inspire confidence to the unskilled. Then there is the scenario of running into a gutted 1SS.

For me personally. I think from the weight perspective and what it cost to implement many of those areas/components where the Camaro does have an advantage. I think it may be very well worth the money from the performance angle, I'll have a better idea on that in a month or so.

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