ZL1 1LE

[Voodooo]

LMAO, yeah. I'm the one here having a problem following along. Whatever makes you feel better. I'll leave you be with your personal attacks "guys like you". Says a whole lot more about you than it does me.

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[bluebeastsrt]

Didn't take long for a "guys like you" comment.:doh: Heaven forbid someone disagrees with you.

 

[Twin Turbo]

Please can I request a little civility? Thank you.

 

[Voodooo]

Didn't take long for a "guys like you" comment.:doh: Heaven forbid someone disagrees with you.

Me?

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Me?

Get in the game man. But I'm pretty sure the new dudes "guys like you" comment was directed at you.

 

[chris_keller]

Get in the game man. But I'm pretty sure the new dudes "guys like you" comment was directed at you.

No, if you look up, i was actually quoting him since that's what he said to me. "Guys like you". That's why i said i wasnt going to do the personal attacks of "guys like you" and left it there.

 

[Childs Play]

You're telling me a ZL1 1LE Isn't 60K? Yeah ok lmao. Nice! For a car you can't even buy yet.
The ZL1 starts at $61140.00. I'm betting you paid more than that for your GT350. So... your point?

It's not unique either!! Uh huh... And a Ford Mustang is?
How far you wanna take this? Don't threaten me with a good time. ;)
Because a 17 GT350 starts at under $57k. Camaro ZL1 starts at $61k. People who can afford a 57k car can most likely afford a 61k car. Can probably get the ZL1 for 57k with discounts and negotiating.
With that you get:
Unique sheet metal. ZL1/1LE has a shape unique to the Camaro lineup.
Aero. ZL1 has Aero unique to the lineup. 1LE has even further aero changes.
Brakes. ZL1 has upgraded breaks included.
Interior. ZL1 has a slightly altered interior.
Engine. ZL1/1LE has an engine different than other Camaros in the lineup.
Trans. ZL1 offers a transmission unique to any other Camaro or GM car currently across all GM product lines. A 10 speed auto. The ZL1 will 1LE will have a 6 speed only. Yours has a 6 speed. Wow. So unique.
Diff. ZL1 has a different diff. Although I'm not sure how much in common it shares with the SS 1LE.
Suspension. Unique suspension for the ZL1 1LE.
Limited production. ZL1 1LE will be limited. And currently the A10 ZL1 is extremely limited. That might change.
Style. ZL1 and ZL1 1LE offer a unique style.
Performance. ZL1 and ZL1 1LE will offer better performance than standard lineup. And a stock GT350.
A car people talk about and take notice. Car people take notice of ZL1 Camaros. Cool story bro.
It'll hold a better value than a camaro. Are you planning on selling it? If so. Cool. That's a plus. I'll give you that one if it's true.
It's still in demand. So is the ZL1 A10. And furthermore the 6 speed, although most people want the A10 so I doubt the 6 speeds sell that well for long. Fine with me because that means they'll eventually be heavily discounted. Meanwhile some Ford guys overpay for their cars and brag about it like that's a good thing. Paying ADM is dumb and you (Not you as in yourself. I have no idea what you paid for it and that's not my business nor do I really care. It's a great car and would be fun to own.) only look like you're bad with money when you brag about it. The ZL1 1LE hasn't even come out.

So... Where were you trying to go with this again..? ;)

 

[JohnZiraldo]

John - if only it was easier to separate knowledge from assumption and - perhaps particularly - bias.

Do we really gain anything from yet another lengthy '<insert competing Camaro model> Assault Thread' (reference intentional)? Is there nothing positive to be learned from the guys on the other side of the street that might be useful?

Is there any good reason for even the "vs" threads to exist solely to smack other cars around on this forum, especially where 'Camaro' is such a hot-button word for some and ???


Norm

Anyone who thinks a car forum should aspire to be something like a scientific forum on physics and cosmology should give their head a shake.

Car forums are little more than a meeting place for gear heads and hot-rodders who refuse to let the 60s die. We didn't know shit about what we were saying back then, but we enjoyed the hell out of 'proving' our favorite car was better than the other guy's. We also liked to argue about our politics, our religion, and our sports teams, with even less scientific proof.

Instead of trying to limit 'versus arguments' about cars, let's just hope that there will always be something available in the marketplace worth arguing about, and lots of people who feel free and able to express their contrarian views.

Oh Ya, and don't ever forget that 97% of all climate scientists agree that Mustangs Rock and Camaros Suck.

 

[thePill]

I don't know what your trying to prove.

I haven't seen a fully sectioned Alpha Camaro, I also don't know if only the body side outer is missing in the catalog picture. However there is not additional bolt in structure. And there is nothing wrong with it. Bolt in structure is used all the time due to assembly constraints or tailored cost.

The Mustang has two bolt in shock tower braces once of which, the yields a 10% torsional improvement IIRC.

However you have to keep in mind material selection, and architectural differences, as they internalize and integrate much more structure specifically in the C ring and parcel tray.

It's different, doesn't mean it is wrong.

There is alot of other stuff going on.

Look at how short the cross section of the mustang engine bay rails, look at the lack of form or the harsh transitions, the lack of cross car engine firewall structure, and the BOLT IN hinge pillar to engine bay rail reinforcement plates (not pictured). Mustang might be a flimsy turd up front... Though it sure wins the fuck out of races.

How can you not know what thePill is trying to prove? Have you examined the 6th Gen Camaro's Alpha structure? Did you witness the amount of metal that was removed from between the B and C Pillars?

Did you witness the 1LE break curb weight by nearly 100lbs and ever wonder where that weight came from?

...and are you wondering where the ZL1LE found an additional 60+lbs of weight loss?

thePill specifically pointed to these areas months ago.

Did the ZL1LE get an amazing automatic option? Aren't you questioning why that is?

 

[bluebeastsrt]

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No, if you look up, i was actually quoting him since that's what he said to me. "Guys like you". That's why i said i wasnt going to do the personal attacks of "guys like you" and left it there.

Sweet. Well I'll just throw it out there. Guys like you get on my nerves for some reason. Mustangs rock and Camaros suck.

 

[chris_keller]

:Sweet. Well I'll just throw it out there. Guys like you get on my nerves for some reason. Mustangs rock and Camaros suck.

LOL! Gee, thanks a lot

 

[thePill]

Say what you will. It's clear to me that you have never looked under your car. As you have no idea of equally sizable amount of bolt in body reinforcement your ecoboost convertible has.

If only you had something meaningful to add to any technical discussion.

No matter how you slice it, the S550 does NOT look like this.

http://www.boronextrication.com/2015/12/27/2016-chevrolet-camaro-body-structure/

Understand that ALL convertibles require some reinforcement. However, ALL Camaro's require the same treatment.

In this day and age and with 650hp, the Camaro's structure just will not do.

 

[Hack]

Funny - I think Mustangs are great as well! And I'm on a Mustang forum!

I like Camaros too. Not enough to buy one so far, but I like them.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

In the pictures below I think I see the missing structural metal between the B & C pillars in the Camaro that the Pill was referring to.

I have very poorly outlined in green the area of the interior chassis of the Camaro that has no metal and where you can see the exterior body panel. The red line points to the interior and exterior views of the hip crease.

The Mustang and Chally do not have such a gaping hole in their interior metal.

What this actually proves is something that is beyond my engineering knowledge, but I can reasonably conclude that it means that Mustangs Rock and Camaros Suck.

 

[68fbjjz109]

Anyone who thinks a car forum should aspire to be something like a scientific forum on physics and cosmology should give their head a shake.

Car forums are little more than a meeting place for gear heads and hot-rodders who refuse to let the 60s die. We didn't know shit about what we were saying back then, but we enjoyed the hell out of 'proving' our favorite car was better than the other guy's. We also liked to argue about our politics, our religion, and our sports teams, with even less scientific proof.

Instead of trying to limit 'versus arguments' about cars, let's just hope that there will always be something available in the marketplace worth arguing about, and lots of people who feel free and able to express their contrarian views.

Oh Ya, and don't ever forget that 97% of all climate scientists agree that Mustangs Rock and Camaros Suck.

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