ZL1 1LE

[Voodooo]

Have you, has he? Nope. But when it comes with cooled and heated seats chances are real good it will have A/C. Plus, no mention what so ever from those at the reveal that A/C was gone. I think someone would mention it.

My point is that the zl1 1le doesn't have a a10.

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[02gtnh]

My point is that the zl1 1le doesn't have a a10.

He didn't say the 1le, he said the ZL1. You added the 1le with 10 speed. I pointed the 1le will also have AC as we all know the ZL1 with 10 speed has AC as they are at dealers.

 

[richtor]

Pill is in it for himself. When he's right he will post about it on every forum there is. When he's wrong he'll claim what he stated was general info and he did not make any mistake.
He know a lot of people in the states and Europe. The problem is he post what people believe or think and hearsay as facts.

Anyone who boast as much he does is bound to to get a few things right.

 

[Childs Play]

Who says he's wrong? GM guys?

Any engineer with a brain. GM guy or not. You can try to flip it but he's wrong 90% of the time. Your bias doesn't change that.

 

[Childs Play]

My point is that the zl1 1le doesn't have a a10.

It's not supposed to... You know that. Why are you trying to use that as a point? List one 1LE model that's had an auto. None? That's right. None. It's a manual only trim. How is that hard to understand?

Y'all are happy as hell to say the GT500 has been a manual only trim and that's how it's supposed to be. Yet when a Camaro trim is manual only it's bad?

Yea that makes sense...

 

[chris_keller]

Man, I'm sorry and you guys are gonna hate me for saying this, but Chevrolet just tends to make a better car factory. Mustangs have always been a little slower, traditionally, since the mid 90's. Even back in the day of the LS1 motor versus the 4.6L. The 1LE track pack is better than Ford's track pack from a performance standpoint. It's faster, better handling with wider tires that stick to the track, much better shock damping....it's just a better car. I bought my GT PP because the interior I thought was nicer and more comfortable, and I could actually see out of the car, while still getting the PP or "track pack" version. For daily driving, that was kind of important for me in Houston with all the traffic haha. But if you are wanting a car for out right performance and track use, the Camaro 1LE is the way to go, whether it's the 1LE or the ZL1 1LE. Just my opinion based off an honest assessment.

 

[Childs Play]

Man, I'm sorry and you guys are gonna hate me for saying this, but Chevrolet just tends to make a better car factory. Mustangs have always been a little slower, traditionally, since the mid 90's. Even back in the day of the LS1 motor versus the 4.6L. The 1LE track pack is better than Ford's track pack from a performance standpoint. It's faster, better handling with wider tires that stick to the track, much better shock damping....it's just a better car. I bought my GT PP because the interior I thought was nicer and more comfortable, and I could actually see out of the car, while still getting the PP or "track pack" version. For daily driving, that was kind of important for me in Houston with all the traffic haha. But if you are wanting a car for out right performance and track use, the Camaro 1LE is the way to go, whether it's the 1LE or the ZL1 1LE. Just my opinion based off an honest assessment.

I would add to this that the 5th gen 5.0 Mustang was quicker than the SS Camaro. At least in the quarter stock. I can't speak for much else cause the quarter mile is the only thing I've Really went head to head with them in.

 

[9secondko]

Man, I'm sorry and you guys are gonna hate me for saying this, but Chevrolet just tends to make a better car factory. Mustangs have always been a little slower, traditionally, since the mid 90's. Even back in the day of the LS1 motor versus the 4.6L. The 1LE track pack is better than Ford's track pack from a performance standpoint. It's faster, better handling with wider tires that stick to the track, much better shock damping....it's just a better car. I bought my GT PP because the interior I thought was nicer and more comfortable, and I could actually see out of the car, while still getting the PP or "track pack" version. For daily driving, that was kind of important for me in Houston with all the traffic haha. But if you are wanting a car for out right performance and track use, the Camaro 1LE is the way to go, whether it's the 1LE or the ZL1 1LE. Just my opinion based off an honest assessment.

Nah. Yet get the gt350.

I remember the 90s. Ford totally disrespected the Mustwng back then. Performance was a joke.

Then the camaros died. And outside of the Terminator, performance still was totally lacking. Heck I remember early s197 GTs losing comparisons to Hyundais for crying out loud. That's just wrong. Then the camaro came back and slapped the Mustang around again. Enter the 5.0 and the Mustang whoops on the camaro. Then the boss is out. Then camaro decides to gun for the top dog. Only it's been working out and the hottest camaro out is getting smacked around by the gt500.

So it hasn't been this way for long. But in the 90s it was true. And it is now.

2018 should change that.

I do believe Ford has a poor philosophy with Mustang though. They do the mimimum in some ways to entice fans and then expect owners to make up shortcomings with aftermarket. Ie: '13 gt500 was a monster. But it needed tires badly. The zl1 had everything it needed to maximize potential off the bat.

The mustang using a prop for instead of hydraulic hood risers is another dumb detail.

Sometimes, even when the mustang is faster, the camaro just seems to be a bit more car for the money.

I truly hope that changes.

 

[1320']

It's not supposed to... You know that. Why are you trying to use that as a point? List one 1LE model that's had an auto. None? That's right. None. It's a manual only trim. How is that hard to understand?

Y'all are happy as hell to say the GT500 has been a manual only trim and that's how it's supposed to be. Yet when a Camaro trim is manual only it's bad?

Yea that makes sense...

I do believe the 3rd Gen F-body 1LE package Camaro's could be had with an automatic.

But no..not in the 5th or 6th Gen's.

 

[chris_keller]

Nah. Yet get the gt350.

I remember the 90s. Ford totally disrespected the Mustwng back then. Performance was a joke.

Then the camaros died. And outside of the Terminator, performance still was totally lacking. Heck I remember early s197 GTs losing comparisons to Hyundais for crying out loud. That's just wrong. Then the camaro came back and slapped the Mustang around again. Enter the 5.0 and the Mustang whoops on the camaro. Then the boss is out. Then camaro decides to gun for the top dog. Only it's been working out and the hottest camaro out is getting smacked around by the gt500.

So it hasn't been this way for long. But in the 90s it was true. And it is now.

2018 should change that.

I do believe Ford has a poor philosophy with Mustang though. They do the mimimum in some ways to entice fans and then expect owners to make up shortcomings with aftermarket. Ie: '13 gt500 was a monster. But it needed tires badly. The zl1 had everything it needed to maximize potential off the bat.

The mustang using a prop for instead of hydraulic hood risers is another dumb detail.

Sometimes, even when the mustang is faster, the camaro just seems to be a bit more car for the money.

I truly hope that changes.

I agree with Ford doing the minimum. I'm just looking at the trends over the years. I dont care for Chevy's, never have, i'm just trying to be honest about the performance of the cars. Of course, you could get certain model mustangs that were faster, but at what cost? Cuz how much was the GT500? lol And that's why i say "traditionally" or "tends to", i try not to speak in absolutes. BUT, Dodge has the 6.4L Scat Pack, Chevy has a 6.2L 1LE that you can pick up for around 40k, if not a little less. Ford should do something with a 351 or a larger displacement engine in my opinion and get a 500 HP N/A motor with a good suspension package like the 1LE that uses a Tremec instead of an MT82. Then you'd have yourself a car, as long as it's still at the 40k price point, which should be doable.

I will say though, that in my opinion, when Ford brought back the 5.0 with "throw back" styling, that's when Ford and the other two brought back retro Camaros and Challengers with big engines a big power. Back to the Muscle Car days. So we do have Ford to thank for that!

 

[1320']

You don't need a 351 to get to 500HP N/A..the possble 5.2L Coyote based engine can do that with ease.


Each one of the "big three" responded to each others movements. Dodge had the 6.1 Hemi in the SRT8 Challenger in 2008, then Chevy dropped the LS3/L99 in 2010, then the Coyote made it's debut in the 2011 MY, Dodge shot back with the 6.4 Hemi, and on and on.

 

[1320']

And about the 1LE being "better"...

If you're planning on keeping the suspension/engine mostly stock and only changing out the rubber..the 1LE is "better" in that sense than a GTPP.

However, if you're planning on doing a ton of customization, modifications, etc...it's a waste since you'd likely be tossing the stock suspension/brakes to the curb anyway. Why spend that much when you're just going to change it out?

 

[chris_keller]

And about the 1LE being "better"...

If you're planning on keeping the suspension/engine mostly stock and only changing out the rubber..the 1LE is "better" in that sense than a GTPP.

However, if you're planning on doing a ton of customization, modifications, etc...it's a waste since you'd likely be tossing the stock suspension/brakes to the curb anyway. Why spend that much when you're just going to change it out?

Which is why my entire suspension has been upgraded. But, to use that argument, why spend 65k on a GT350? You could just buy a 1LE for 40k, put 20k into it, then what do you have? It goes both ways, which is the same argument we use for the Mustang. But, that's why i said in original argument "factory". And the VooDoo motor makes no power down low by design, and the 5.0 is lacking in the Torque dept. That's why i argue for a 351 (or some larger displacement motor).

 

[Voodooo]

Nah. Yet get the gt350.

I remember the 90s. Ford totally disrespected the Mustwng back then. Performance was a joke.

Then the camaros died. And outside of the Terminator, performance still was totally lacking. Heck I remember early s197 GTs losing comparisons to Hyundais for crying out loud. That's just wrong. Then the camaro came back and slapped the Mustang around again. Enter the 5.0 and the Mustang whoops on the camaro. Then the boss is out. Then camaro decides to gun for the top dog. Only it's been working out and the hottest camaro out is getting smacked around by the gt500.

So it hasn't been this way for long. But in the 90s it was true. And it is now.

2018 should change that.

I do believe Ford has a poor philosophy with Mustang though. They do the mimimum in some ways to entice fans and then expect owners to make up shortcomings with aftermarket. Ie: '13 gt500 was a monster. But it needed tires badly. The zl1 had everything it needed to maximize potential off the bat.

The mustang using a prop for instead of hydraulic hood risers is another dumb detail.

Sometimes, even when the mustang is faster, the camaro just seems to be a bit more car for the money.

I truly hope that changes.

You think the prop is dumb? Try being a mechanic! I much rather have the prop. Working on the side of the car and having struts can be a bitch. Not to mention when a customer doesn't want to spend the coin on struts that are weak and the hood keeps falling unless you use a clamp to hold the hood open. I'll take a prop any day.
In the 90s the fox body ruled. Even the cobra and cobra R. Not to mention the cobra and cobra Rs of the mid to late 90s.

 

[Voodooo]

Which is why my entire suspension has been upgraded. But, to use that argument, why spend 65k on a GT350? You could just buy a 1LE for 40k, put 20k into it, then what do you have? It goes both ways, which is the same argument we use for the Mustang. But, that's why i said in original argument "factory". And the VooDoo motor makes no power down low by design, and the 5.0 is lacking in the Torque dept. That's why i argue for a 351 (or some larger displacement motor).

Wrong!
The voodoo makes more power at lower rpm then a coyote I proven this more then I care to keep explaining.

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