ZL1 1LE

[Voodooo]

If I recall correctly the camaro uses steel rear lower control arms compared to fords cast aluminum.

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[ZaneWayne]

Where's the weight savings coming from?
Smaller wheels, lighter rear seat, DSSV compared to MRC, lighter rear window, etc.
The ever valuable sub-frame connections? More structural reinforcement? Have you seen a naked 6th Gen yet? There is absolutely NO sheet metal between the B and C pillars. Zero... a gap exist where metal should be. Only the floor and roof hold the rear section in place at the rear miter cuts. We haven't seen a structure this dieted since the late 60's production cars. What about an AC Delete? Yes, in a ZL1 and AC Delete is mandatory.

Tire... the thing they said the base ZL1 had enough of needed a lot more. The base 2017 ZL1 should have come with 305/325's to begin with. The ZL1 is more of a GT than a track focused monster. And the Regular ZL1 runs with or slightly faster than a Grand Sport Vette, which is no small feat.

The A10: Simply put, the LT4/A10 combo runs too hot and will pull power from a spirited driven ZL1 A10. To keep weight, cost and maintenance down, the A10 was excluded. I have yet to see anything that supports this claim. You are hoping for this, but I really do not see this being an issue.

Whos willing to pay $75,000 for another Camaro? Because even Camaro fans won't pay $75,000 of a "Z/28".

This ZL1LE was reported by thePill waaaaaaaay back... and it was done because:

1.) A 6th Gen z28 doesn't exist anymore-I would not be so sure of this yet.

2.) The ZL1LE programs were merged to save money due to poor sales

3.) This ZL1 1LE is literally the "1 Lap Edition (1LE)" and was built to defend itself from the future GT500. Although it won't be enough :(
Ford needs to hurry up with the 500. And if you think it wont be 75K, you're crazier than I previously thought. :cheers:

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[VTECSAUCE]

Ford was already in trouble with the base Camaro SS, then the 1LE, then the ZL1, and now this...For how bad the 2018 Mustang looks, I wouldn't be surprised if the Camaro starts out selling it. I have 3 friends that have already traded in for a 1LE and if it wasn't such an illogical financial move for me, I'd follow suit.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Ford was already in trouble with the base Camaro SS, then the 1LE, then the ZL1, and now this...For how bad the 2018 Mustang looks, I wouldn't be surprised if the Camaro starts out selling it. I have 3 friends that have already traded in for a 1LE and if it wasn't such an illogical financial move for me, I'd follow suit.

The issue the Camaro has, is price. All of that tech and capability is not cheap. That and they packaged it too expensive any way.

 

[68fbjjz109]

If I recall correctly the camaro uses steel rear lower control arms compared to fords cast aluminum.

You are correct, however there is still ~16 lb weight delta in the Camaro's favor.

And advantage to having a lighter BIW is you can down gauge and use appropriate materials throughout. However the Mustang and Camaro's suspension is not exactly analogous.

The Challenger and Camaro are more analogous, and the Challenger is more aluminum intensive than the Camaro, yet they are comparable in weight.

 

[68fbjjz109]

The issue the Camaro has, is price. All of that tech and capability is not cheap. That and they packaged it too expensive any way.

Some of there components are more expensive, but on the whole. The Camaro is not that much more expensive from an OEM standpoint. GM is just charging more because they feel they can.

Just like their trucks. A new GM truck isn't a bad vehicle far from it. But it's not new. They are printing money with that turd, while they are developing a new truck. IIRC there was a lawsuit in Canada due to GM's high profit nature, and the lack of incentives received in spite the Canadian governmental support during the dark years.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Some of there components are more expensive, but on the whole. The Camaro is not that much more expensive from an OEM standpoint. GM is just charging more because they feel they can.

Just like their trucks. A new GM truck isn't a bad vehicle far from it. But it's not new. They are printing money with that turd, while they are developing a new truck.

Go price Chevy trucks and Ford trucks, then get back to me on which one is more expensive.

 

[Voodooo]

Go price Chevy trucks and Ford trucks, then get back to me on which one is more expensive.

What's your point?
Don't start telling me GM truck sales are better.

 

[Voodooo]

What I find amusing is the camaro guys think the gt350 is a lower production then the zl1 and zl1 1le. The adm is on the gt350/r because of demand. Not many people want a $70-$80k camaro. The last z28 proved that

 

[68fbjjz109]

Answers in Red.

Where's the weight savings coming from?
Smaller wheels, lighter rear seat, DSSV compared to MRC, lighter rear window, etc.

Zane do you know anything more about the ETC weight catergory. I am curious if there are any ZL1 1LE specific parts.

I know the ZL1 that ran the ring had alot of non production chassis parts. I am curious if they just ran a highly optimized car. Or they hadn't finished development.

 

[thePill]

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Sorry, the equipment listed isnt responsible for the 60lbs plus whatever equipment they added. There is more than 80lbs of weight pulled from the base ZL1.

As I said months ago, the base ZL1 was a dumbed down version of what they actually built. The ZL1LE programs were merged AFTER the z28 was canceled.

Yes, the z28 has been canceled and has been since last Spring/Summer. When the "Spy pics" of this ZL1LE were released thePill was pretty specific that is WAS NOT a z28. I was also very specific that the models were merged together.

No, that's not the case... the weight Chevy added to the 1LE that made it 80lbs too heavy was just removed to save weight.

Sales was a determining factor and it seems the 6th Gen is on borrowed time.

 

[02gtnh]

Where's the weight savings coming from?
Smaller wheels, lighter rear seat, DSSV compared to MRC, lighter rear window, etc.

Zane do you know anything more about the ETC weight catergory. I am curious if there are any ZL1 1LE specific parts.

I know the ZL1 that ran the ring had alot of non production chassis parts. I am curious if they just ran a highly optimized car. Or they hadn't finished development.

Where did you see that?

 

[thePill]

Where's the weight savings coming from?
Smaller wheels, lighter rear seat, DSSV compared to MRC, lighter rear window, etc.

Zane do you know anything more about the ETC weight catergory. I am curious if there are any ZL1 1LE specific parts.

I know the ZL1 that ran the ring had alot of non production chassis parts. I am curious if they just ran a highly optimized car. Or they hadn't finished development.

This^

They ran a optimized car with major reinforcement and specific tuning... like always.

The A10 was too much for the LT4.

 

[thePill]

What I find amusing is the camaro guys think the gt350 is a lower production then the zl1 and zl1 1le. The adm is on the gt350/r because of demand. Not many people want a $70-$80k camaro. The last z28 proved that

...not many people desire a new Camaro period.

 

[thePill]

Bottom line:

The ZL1 needed EXTREME attention in the tire department. I warned everyone here that the z28 had been canceled AND, after that had happened, the ZL1 and 1LE programs were merged.

None of the equipment on 2017 ZL1 was intended to make production. The 1LE package was absorbed once any z28 package was axed.

All of this is preemptive and a reaction to the Demon and whispers of the GT500. We knew every move Chevy was making months before they made it public. If we know, Ford knows...

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