ZL1 1LE

[ZaneWayne]

What's your point?
Don't start telling me GM truck sales are better.

Some years, GM trucks do sell better. :cheers:

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[ZaneWayne]

Where's the weight savings coming from?
Smaller wheels, lighter rear seat, DSSV compared to MRC, lighter rear window, etc.

Zane do you know anything more about the ETC weight catergory. I am curious if there are any ZL1 1LE specific parts.

I know the ZL1 that ran the ring had alot of non production chassis parts. I am curious if they just ran a highly optimized car. Or they hadn't finished development.

I just put the ETC, because I couldn't think of anything else and I am sure there is some stand alone parts for it.

Also, where did you see that the ZL1 than ran at the ring had non production chassis parts? It probably had a roll cage for safety purposes, but everyone does that.

 

[68fbjjz109]

Where did you see that?

Didn't see it any were. Live and work in the Motorcity.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Didn't see it any were. Live and work in the Motorcity.

So what was non production about the ZL1 than ran at the ring, I am genuinely curious.

 

[68fbjjz109]

Go price Chevy trucks and Ford trucks, then get back to me on which one is more expensive.

I may be not making my point clearly enough. GMT 800, GMT 900, K2X series trucks are old.... besides minor fascia and hood tool changes. That truck really hasn't changed much. It's cheap.

I would drive a new black Z71 All Terrian till the wheels fell off. They are a really sharp truck with a good power train. But my K5 Cucv gets to good of mileage, to get rid of, and they are simply to much for what you get.

Trucks in general are high profit, and GM trucks are some of the top of the pack for high profit platforms.

The Ram is the exact same way in terms of a platform. Way overdue for a replacement as well. However atleast you get industry leading materials in the cabin. The ram just doesn't do it for me aesthetically.

 

[ZaneWayne]

I may be not making my point clearly enough. GMT 800, GMT 900, K2X series trucks are old.... besides minor fascia and hood tool changes. That truck really hasn't changed much. It's cheap.

I would drive a new black Z71 All Terrian till the wheels fell off. They are a really sharp truck with a good power train. But my K5 Cucv gets to good of mileage, to get rid of, and they are simply to much for what you get.

Trucks in general are high profit, and GM trucks are some of the top of the pack for high profit platforms.

The Ram is the exact same way in terms of a platform. Way overdue for a replacement as well. However atleast you get industry leading materials in the cabin. The ram just doesn't do it for me aesthetically.

Oh ok, I gotcha. Yeah I just traded my Camaro in for a 2017 Silverado LTZ Z71 midnight edition with the 6.2. I am in love with it. And 13k off with 0 percent financing isn't bad either.

 

[68fbjjz109]

So what was non production about the ZL1 than ran at the ring, I am genuinely curious.

Safety equipment aside. I truly don't know what components specifically. Even if I did. I don't think I would mention it. I know what group they worked in, and what they are responsible for.

The theme of the conversation was you couldn't get a production ZL1 to replicate the performance.

Before the Pill looses his shit. This could mean alot, that's why I was wondering about the etc. you mentioned. I am truly curious if there other components which may have been optimized from the standard Camaro/1LE/ZL1 parts.

The fact is most of these cars that a running the ring, are not production intent, and may not have completely production validated components. There are running changes done on vehicles all the time.

However this one reason I really like how Ford handles testing. Everyone wants to know what times the GT350/R ran, but they wont say, or advertise it.

Randy Pobst runs on much smaller and repeatable track, which is a much better indications of production performance. I can only imagine the ZL1 1LE will prove to be a monster in his hands.

 

[EcoVert]

Some years, GM trucks do sell better. :cheers:

Some years like 40 plus years ago. You know as well as anyone else since you sell cars its by brand NOT by combining different divisional brands of a company. Same old cry by gm guys when there behind a better make. Maybe when they come out with the aluminum silverado then might start sell more of them. Anyone see a camo'ed next gen silverado yet lots of F150 looks to it.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Some years like 40 plus years ago. You know as well as anyone else since you sell cars its by brand NOT by combining different divisional brands of a company. Same old cry by gm guys when they're behind a better make. Maybe when they come out with the aluminum silverado then might start sell more of them. Anyone see a camo'ed next gen silverado yet lots of F150 looks to it.

No. Just no. Voodoo said "Don't start saying that GM sells more trucks that Ford."

Well some years they do. https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...rado-and-sierra-have-topped-the-f-series.aspx

 

[ZaneWayne]

Bottom line:

The ZL1 needed EXTREME attention in the tire department. I warned everyone here that the z28 had been canceled AND, after that had happened, the ZL1 and 1LE programs were merged.

None of the equipment on 2017 ZL1 was intended to make production. The 1LE package was absorbed once any z28 package was axed.

All of this is preemptive and a reaction to the Demon and whispers of the GT500. We knew every move Chevy was making months before they made it public. If we know, Ford knows...

So when the ZL1 ran faster than a Grand Sport, it still needed more tire? The ZL1LE is definitely not a reaction to Demon lol. At this point, I do not think the Demon is going to ever see anything but a straight line. Also, what GT500? You have literally been talking about the Gt500 for 3 years lol. I, and everyone else on this forum, am still waiting on any information at all pertaining to the GT500.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Sorry, the equipment listed isnt responsible for the 60lbs plus whatever equipment they added. There is more than 80lbs of weight pulled from the base ZL1.

As I said months ago, the base ZL1 was a dumbed down version of what they actually built. The ZL1LE programs were merged AFTER the z28 was canceled.

Yes, the z28 has been canceled and has been since last Spring/Summer. When the "Spy pics" of this ZL1LE were released thePill was pretty specific that is WAS NOT a z28. I was also very specific that the models were merged together.

No, that's not the case... the weight Chevy added to the 1LE that made it 80lbs too heavy was just removed to save weight.

Sales was a determining factor and it seems the 6th Gen is on borrowed time.

What equipment did they add other than the updated aerodynamics? Smaller wheels, ligher shocks, ligher seat. Those things don't add up to 60 pounds? 60 pounds isn't much, plan B.

 

[Voodooo]

Some years, GM trucks do sell better. :cheers:

Ok I lost any respect I had for you. This is about the dumbest thing I ever read from you. Ford out sells chevy trucks every year since 1977. Also in Canada.

 

[Voodooo]

Some years like 40 plus years ago. You know as well as anyone else since you sell cars its by brand NOT by combining different divisional brands of a company. Same old cry by gm guys when there behind a better make. Maybe when they come out with the aluminum silverado then might start sell more of them. Anyone see a camo'ed next gen silverado yet lots of F150 looks to it.

He's desperate. That's like saying the camaro & firebird out sell the mustang.
Let's see, why not add the camaro, firebird & corvette and go against the mustang sales. :frusty:

 

[Voodooo]

What equipment did they add other than the updated aerodynamics? Smaller wheels, ligher shocks, ligher seat. Those things don't add up to 60 pounds? 60 pounds isn't much, plan B.

Didn't GM cheat when MotorTrend compared the GT350R vs Z28? Remember the dyno pulls on the same day same dyno?

 

[02gtnh]

He's desperate. That's like saying the camaro & firebird out sell the mustang.
Let's see, why not add the camaro, firebird & corvette and go against the mustang sales. :frusty:

To be fair, GM sells more trucks then Ford due to many choices. With GM you have the Silverado, Sierra, Canyon, and Colorado. With Ford you only have the F series. So if you want a Ford, well you have one choice. If you want a GM, well some choose the Silverado while other may like the look of the GMC Sierra, but if you want a truck but don't want a full size, then the Canyon and Colorado is a option. Like with anything out there, the more choices there are, the numbers will be more spread out.:cheers:

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