ZL1 1LE

[Voodooo]

It depends where you take that 60 lbs from. As most performance variants put weight on in alot of areas as well. Generally in Cooling, Brakes, Tires.

Approximately 50 % of the Demon's 200+ lbs weight save if primarily from seat removal, a nice SCAT pack passenger seat weighs ~ 55lbs, it's rear seat weighs ~ 49lbs.

If the Demon lost 200 lbs and still had 2/3 seats I would be really impressed.

The ZL1 1LE's 60lb savings may be more of a given, with wheel and tire diameter reduction, rear seat changes, and manual transmission. However it does puts on notable tire and wheel width, additional aero.

I would be interested in seeing the weight savings brake down.

A 20" to 19" wheel is about a pound or so when the width stays the same on a similar wheel. (Forgeline)
The magneride dampers are heavy compared to DSSV.
The thinner rear glass is less than 5 pounds difference.
Seats would be a good place to save weight.

I removed nearly 190 pounds from my GT350 track pack doing the following.

- Removed rubber Irs cradle and differential bushings to solid ford performance aluminum bushings saved 8 pounds.
- Removed front control arm rubber bushing to cortex bearing saved 2 pounds.
- Removed rear control arm rubber bushing to cortex bearing saved 2 pounds.
- Removed rear seat and belts, installed R rear seat delete saved 32 pounds.
- Removed stock wheels/tires using Forgeline GA1R open lugs 11x19 and 4 305/30zr19 pilot sport cup 2 tires saved 52 pounds.
- American racing headers, catless x pipe, no resonators, with stock mufflers saved 15 pounds.
-Braille i34c battery saved 20 pounds.
- Dss carbon drive shaft will save about 8 pounds. (Still waiting)
- Recaro profit carbon seats will save 77 pounds. (Still waiting)

Total weight savings 216 pounds.

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[Sasuketr]

I m sure more weight can be removed even with wheel and drive shaft upgrades. For example our GTPP's can shave 51 lbs from wheels(20lb wheels), 30 lbs from exhaust, 27 lbs from drive shaft, 30 lbs from rear seat delete, and 40 lbs from Rotors. Thats 178 lbs for you!

 

[Voodooo]

I m sure more weight can be removed even with wheel and drive shaft upgrades. For example our GTPP's can shave 51 lbs from wheels(20lb wheels), 30 lbs from exhaust, 27 lbs from drive shaft, 30 lbs from rear seat delete, and 40 lbs from Rotors. Thats 178 lbs for you!

If your talking to me I just posted my Voodooo diet.

 

[thePill]

From the article:
The DSSV dampers contribute to weight savings of roughly 60 pounds compared to the standard ZL1 with its magnetorheological shocks.

They got 60lbs out of the shocks???

That is incorrect...

 

[thePill]

WRONG! Zl1 always been a high performance all around touring/ weekend track car. GM had no intentions to make a base zl1 just a track focused monster. Its just capable of giving more than what it was planned for with the current platform. What MAJOR equipment are you referring to? What all GM doing with the 1le name is marketing and releasing a little more track focused version of camaros, thanks to the c6 z06, and z28 camaro. Pill you started coming up with stuff out of nowhere again!

No, everything stated has been correct.

Last year I specifically posted about the ZL1 program and the 1LE programs being merged together. Not only did they share a lot of parts BUT, a lot of the equipment thePill claimed the ZL1 lacked ended up on a ZL1LE.

If I remember right, the exact time Chevy merged the ZL1 program together with the 1LE program is about the same time thePill spoke exclusively about the cancellation of the z28 program...

So? No... thePill hasn't made anything up concerning the Camaro's future. In fact, everything that we discussed has completely come true... even the sales estimate was right on.

 

[thePill]

Let's not distract:

First, We said the ZL1 and 1LE programs were essentially the same car. Yeah, it seemed funny then but now we see a ZL1LE.

Second, thePill knew that because the z28 got the axe as well as any Motorsport program based on a "Z/28". After the axe, they rushed to put the ZL1LE GT4 together.

Third, the ZL1LE NEEDS AN AC DELETE, period.

Forth, the base ZL1 was NEVER designed to perform on 1LE wheels/tires. It has been and always will be under-tired.


Fifth, thePill came back only to see the GT500...

 

[thePill]

If your talking to me I just posted my Voodooo diet.

Personally, I would like to know where they pulled 60lbs from even after the upgrades.

thePill is willing to bet that Chevy is pulling the sub-frame reinforcements

It is probably the same reinforcement they added that made the SS 1LE 100lbs too heavy.

The Camaro is okay for daily driving but not for anything serious.

 

[thePill]

Also, notice they referenced the dampers as one of the key components to this 60lbs weight loss. Reality, they needed to pull around 80-100lbs out to compensate for the larger equipment for sure. Maybe they gained 30-40lbs in new equipment plus the claimed 60... yeah, close to 100lbs.

They won't go into detail about HOW they are performing these amazing feats of weight loss in the Camaro Alpha ONLY. Because they are removing work-hardened structure and sub-frame reinforcement. The emergency reinforcements the SS 1LE received was most likely removed...

I'm not impressed nor are the consumers.

 

[1320']

What an individual can do with aftermarket and once they're in your own hands is very different from what a manufacturer can do while complying with regulations, NVH etc...

 

[Voodooo]

What an individual can do with aftermarket and once they're in your own hands is very different from what a manufacturer can do while complying with regulations, NVH etc...

I think that's a given.

 

[68fbjjz109]

A 20" to 19" wheel is about a pound or so when the width stays the same on a similar wheel. (Forgeline)
The magneride dampers are heavy compared to DSSV.
The thinner rear glass is less than 5 pounds difference.
Seats would be a good place to save weight.

I removed nearly 190 pounds from my GT350 track pack doing the following.

- Removed rubber Irs cradle and differential bushings to solid ford performance aluminum bushings saved 8 pounds.
- Removed front control arm rubber bushing to cortex bearing saved 2 pounds.
- Removed rear control arm rubber bushing to cortex bearing saved 2 pounds.
- Removed rear seat and belts, installed R rear seat delete saved 32 pounds.
- Removed stock wheels/tires using Forgeline GA1R open lugs 11x19 and 4 305/30zr19 pilot sport cup 2 tires saved 52 pounds.
- American racing headers, catless x pipe, no resonators, with stock mufflers saved 15 pounds.
-Braille i34c battery saved 20 pounds.
- Dss carbon drive shaft will save about 8 pounds. (Still waiting)
- Recaro profit carbon seats will save 77 pounds. (Still waiting)

Total weight savings 216 pounds.

You still have few nuggets of weight to get out. (When are you taking it to the track?)

I have a similar goal, but not to increase NVH.

What an individual can do with aftermarket and once they're in your own hands is very different from what a manufacturer can do while complying with regulations, NVH etc...

This is why I am curious about what was changed on the ZL1. Deleting things is easy. Deleting things that might seem contrary to performance is easier to justify on performance variants.

Component optimization is often difficult once a part has been green light for meeting targets.

One of the cool things about the GT350 is some of the optimization, the CFRP rad support, the aluminum knuckles, bumpers ect.

However the S550 is at a 100lb Body weight disadvantage.

 

[1320']

A big thing about the S550 vs the Alpha Camaro is the Alpha Camaro uses much more aluminum in the sub-structures and suspension components.

If you were to look at the bottom view of the S550 and the Camaro it's very obvious. I'm willing to bet there is an easy 25lbs in weight savings to be gained in just suspension components if the S550 were to switch over to aluminum and other high strength composites...of course at a price.

 

[68fbjjz109]

A big thing about the S550 vs the Alpha Camaro is the Alpha Camaro uses much more aluminum in the sub-structures and suspension components.

If you were to look at the bottom view of the S550 and the Camaro it's very obvious. I'm willing to bet there is an easy 25lbs in weight savings to be gained in just suspension components if the S550 were to switch over to aluminum and other high strength composites...of course at a price.

For being so steel and cast iron intensive. The S550 is very weight efficient.

I have a complete excel breakdown of system and component deltas for the camaro and mustang.

 

[1320']

For being so steel and cast iron intensive. The S550 is very weight efficient.

I have a complete excel breakdown of system and component deltas for the camaro and mustang.

Oh I know...that's what frustrates me when people bag on the S550 *platform*.

It's actually lighter and stronger than the S197 it replaced..the S550 has heavier content (IE the IRS, brakes, etc).

 

[Childs Play]

Oh I know...that's what frustrates me when people bag on the S550 *platform*.

It's actually lighter and stronger than the S197 it replaced..the S550 has heavier content (IE the IRS, brakes, etc).

Exactly. It's impressive what they've done with the current platform compared to the old.

I'll trash talk all day for fun, but the current gen Mustang (ESPECIALLY with the refresh coming) is great.

I'm guessing next gen they'll incorporate a lot more aluminum on top of the other changes coming like hybrid capability.

I know a lot of people will claim heresy over a hybrid muscle car. But if they can get it right... It should be stupid fun to drive.

Instantaneous torque? Yes please.

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