Will Trump be impeached?

[GT Pony]

More delusional misconceptions ... no surprise you'd say that.

Have a stiff drink for me too.

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[Weather Man]

By the way, I voted for Rudy Giuliani in 1994 back when I lived in New York City. He was a hell of a US attorney, although many really disliked him. I move to NJ in 95' but was very glad i voted for him on 9/11. He really was an excellent mayor.

I do not know who this person is that I now see on the TV. He certainly is not the man I remember as mayor of NYC. By the way Rudy was originally a Democrat and a Liberal. Go figure.

He is the same guy and the D's are afraid of him, you can tell by how hard CNN goes after him.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

GT, unfortunately, (and I do like you, for the most part), Trump is not impeached yet. Not until Pelosi signs the papers. Basically, the DA's office has agreed to pursue charges, but hasn't actually had the judge sign off or serve papers. All she has to do is sign it, and he is impeached, as of yet, not quite though. The founders, it would seem, did not expect this extreme level of partisanship, at least in regards to impeachment. It was viewed that if there were crimes at that level, they would not be withheld from the senate.

Um, someone else who tried to argue against GT that the senate is who impeaches, you are wrong. The house does. They just haven't yet. They've agreed to, but they haven't. they agreed to fix the garage door, they just haven't hired the contractor yet.

IMO, Pelosi's target isn't Trump. It is McConnell. If he refuses to be impartial, and refuses to step aside, he is in breach of his duty. the other option as someone mentioned, is that she intends to wait until after the election. If the dems win a majority of the senate seats (they won't, btw, it would be logically impossible) she could impeach then without worry it would get thrown out... Maybe they can win enough it can't be just thrown out at the very start before a trial, but I doubt that too. They're fucking up so bad that the dems are likely to lose seats, and you can quote me on that in 11 months.

Also, GT, the only people so far who say that you don't need to break a law is the house, and people the dem party has paid. Both of the other impeachments, and the other that was going to pass, were about broken laws. Albeit the first ever impeachment is a bit....wishy washy...that one was def. a politically motivated shit show. IF you believe otherwise, please throw me a link, but I've seen nothing that says that impeachment can be about bad feelings or lawfully ambiguous actions.

It doesn't help that 3 years ago the dems stated that their primary goal was to impeach trump, before he even took office. This certainly makes it look like a witch hunt, and turns many people, including myself, off of them and their party.

BJ, the memes are fucking stupid and need to stop. You make everyone who is against these proceedings look like idiots. And half of them are blatantly wrong or based on half truths.

 

[GT Pony]

Also, GT, the only people so far who say that you don't need to break a law is the house, and people the dem party has paid. Both of the other impeachments, and the other that was going to pass, were about broken laws. Albeit the first ever impeachment is a bit....wishy washy...that one was def. a politically motivated shit show. IF you believe otherwise, please throw me a link, but I've seen nothing that says that impeachment can be about bad feelings or lawfully ambiguous actions.

Go dig around in the various PDF files linked on the US Senate website (below) - you can word search the PDFs. I've found various sources that say no federal crime needs to be committed to be charged with articles of impeachment. Constitutional law and federal/civic laws are not the same. Thought I also posted a link or two about this earlier showing no federal crime needs to be broken to be impeached.

Of course if specific defined crimes are committed, it makes for a stronger case for impeachment and removal from office. There are also summaries of past impeachments and trials done in those PDFs in the US Senate website link.

https://www.senate.gov/reference/Index/Impeachment.htm

 

[1MEAN18]

Only took 3 years to go down in history as worst liar ever, he's got 8 years of Obama's lies already beat by a mile! Never thought I'd see someone come along and beat Obama and that pace of lies we saw then. Part of the reason for this dubious honor is cable news, especially Fox News. I'm a bit embarrassed to say, I used to love Fox News, but fair and balanced? Well people with the ability to find out the truth on their own, found out quickly that Fox News just wasn't a fair or balanced news source. Now I feel like I should send them a thank you card or something, after all I am no longer a cable news puppet because of their actions becoming the cheerleader for such an immoral and psychologically damaged man.

 

[watisthis]

This thread is really heating up, I like it!

 

[Bikeman315]

This thread is really heating up, I like it!

Wait until the trail starts

 

[Jimmy Dean]

Ok, a lot to unpack here.

A) I am, mostly, on your side. Your reading comprehension is just as bad as whatisthis or whatever his name is however.

"You are wrong! If the articles aren't delivered to the house they are null and void." Not null and void, but unprocessed. I stated that until the house delivers the article, he is not impeached. plain and simple. Do not understand how you did not catch that.

"Not my fault if you can't out debate me, much less a meme" not trying to debate you, again, for the most part, I agree with your position. Just stating that you are doing a horrible job of presenting your side, and making yourself look like both an idiot and an ass while you do it. If you would like to debate that point, I only need point to nearly every single one of your posts.

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According to the Constitution, impeachment is a process, not a vote.
By Noah Feldman (The bias Harvard Law Proffessor)

"If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all."

Some strict constitutionalist is even more harsh on Pelosi’s stupid actions.

So, if you want to debate get after it." Again, I've been saying this for the last 36~ish hours since she said she wasn't prepared to send them to the house.

Ok, again, lets break this down. For the impeachment trial, the senate members have to, and I quote: "When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation". This Oath will contain a clause for impartiality. If McConnell violates that, which he has stated he would, then that is also an impeachable offense. This I think is Pelosi's endgame. or at least midgame. She knows an impeachment on Trump will never result in his removal from office with the current number of Repub senators. But if she starts impeaching the senators for dereliction of duty...



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What’s is it that is so hard for you to understand…the house files articles of impeachment, the senate will exonerate, simple. It's a fact!

There is only one body that has done harm to the constitution, “the Peoples House.”"

Again, close, but not quite. the House Impeaches, the senate performs the Impeachment trial. 'Impeachment' is merely the act of bringing charges (non criminal, GT, I get that, and I'll stand corrected on that issue in your other post).

 

[1MEAN18]

Ok, a lot to unpack here.

A) I am, mostly, on your side. Your reading comprehension is just as bad as whatisthis or whatever his name is however.

"You are wrong! If the articles aren't delivered to the house they are null and void." Not null and void, but unprocessed. I stated that until the house delivers the article, he is not impeached. plain and simple. Do not understand how you did not catch that.

"Not my fault if you can't out debate me, much less a meme" not trying to debate you, again, for the most part, I agree with your position. Just stating that you are doing a horrible job of presenting your side, and making yourself look like both an idiot and an ass while you do it. If you would like to debate that point, I only need point to nearly every single one of your posts.

"
According to the Constitution, impeachment is a process, not a vote.
By Noah Feldman (The bias Harvard Law Proffessor)

"If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all."

Some strict constitutionalist is even more harsh on Pelosi’s stupid actions.

So, if you want to debate get after it." Again, I've been saying this for the last 36~ish hours since she said she wasn't prepared to send them to the house.



Ok, again, lets break this down. For the impeachment trial, the senate members have to, and I quote: "When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation". This Oath will contain a clause for impartiality. If McConnell violates that, which he has stated he would, then that is also an impeachable offense. This I think is Pelosi's endgame. or at least midgame. She knows an impeachment on Trump will never result in his removal from office with the current number of Repub senators. But if she starts impeaching the senators for dereliction of duty...



"

What’s is it that is so hard for you to understand…the house files articles of impeachment, the senate will exonerate, simple. It's a fact!

There is only one body that has done harm to the constitution, “the Peoples House.”"

Again, close, but not quite. the House Impeaches, the senate performs the Impeachment trial. 'Impeachment' is merely the act of bringing charges (non criminal, GT, I get that, and I'll stand corrected on that issue in your other post).

How sad is it when you see so many people who are absolutely ignorant as to how our gov't was actually constructed and how it actually works? I mean really, I don't expect everybody to be great at history, but if the people who were clueless about how our systems actually work and were formed did this poorly at math, America and most of its households would be bankrupt (oh wait, 23 trillion in debt with 150 trillion in unfunded liabilities like Medicaid, SS and Medicare America is already bankrupt so go figure)

 

[Bikeman315]

How sad is it when you see so many people who are absolutely ignorant as to how our gov't was actually constructed and how it actually works? I mean really, I don't expect everybody to be great at history, but if the people who were clueless about how our systems actually work and were formed did this poorly at math, America and most of its households would be bankrupt (oh wait, 23 trillion in debt with 150 trillion in unfunded liabilities like Medicaid, SS and Medicare America is already bankrupt so go figure)

So true. The conversations just keep going back and forth and everyone is pretty much saying the same thing over and over. What's worse is that most people have become tone deaf to all of this. I for one cannot stand listening to any of our elected officials anymore. So what do I want for Christmas? For this to be over, period. Let the children play their political games and get this over with. What I am really concerned about, and what many have stopped talking about is integrity of the upcoming elections. Again, I don't care who is hacking who. I just want there to be no hacking period. Maybe, just make, a degree of fairness in November can get this country back on track. I know, pipe dream, but I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

How sad is it when you see so many people who are absolutely ignorant as to how our gov't was actually constructed and how it actually works? I mean really, I don't expect everybody to be great at history, but if the people who were clueless about how our systems actually work and were formed did this poorly at math, America and most of its households would be bankrupt (oh wait, 23 trillion in debt with 150 trillion in unfunded liabilities like Medicaid, SS and Medicare America is already bankrupt so go figure)

Agreed, it gets pretty bad. And while I'll likely get called a boomer for saying it, even though I'm just shy of two decades too young for that, these young adults (I edited out 'kids' here because I realize how insulting that may come across, and would be incorrect anyways, as they are adults, same age or older than me when I went into the military, and being talked to as a kid back then was infuriating, sure that hasn't changed much, so, sorry about that) and thinking that you can have a knowledgeable discussion with meme is...well, atrocious. Or there belief (and many others) that you must be 100% with me, or you are against me, and everyone who isn't with me is a fool and an idiot and an enemy. Even when we were that age we had friends we didn't agree with on a lot of things. Granted I've noticed many people become more polarized these days, even older folks, or rather my age, 30s-40s.

While these meme wars can be hilarious, they also make one look like a fucking moron. Add into some people, like BJ, being so rabid he can't read things through before posting some silly response.. Hell, I am mostly on his side and he is arguing against what I said by saying nearly the same thing, except slightly wrong because there are nuances of the law and constitution he simply isn't aware of or refuses to understand.

But I see this a lot, there is a younger engineer I work with who I argue with a lot. And so many times his arguments are based off of what he wishes the constitution or the law says, not what it says. Everything is always so black and white with him.

this is extremely disappointing, I had a much higher hope for people who grew up with the internet, and the access to all the different sides of a conversation that it provides. they don't grow up in an echo chamber like we had to before, and yet it seems they are even more fixated and opinionated. Guess I was naïve on the protentional of the internet and a connected world...I would say that in some respects I certainly was.

I'm not trying to dog the younger crowd, but guys, you've got some learnin' to do. I am not saying believe everything someone says because they are older than you, certainly not. question the hell out of it, we certainly did, and expect you to as well. but don't disagree with people simply because they are older, or younger. Learn to have a discussion, and try and understand what motivates and drives people underneath and understand that we are not all the same, do not have the same experiences and backgrounds, and that it is ok to disagree. That is unless you disagree with me, because I am right, and also older so I know what I'm talking about.

Oh, and for cryin' out loud, if you are going to attempt to have an argument over something, at least do SOME research.

 

[1MEAN18]

So true. The conversations just keep going back and forth and everyone is pretty much saying the same thing over and over. What's worse is that most people have become tone deaf to all of this. I for one cannot stand listening to any of our elected officials anymore. So what do I want for Christmas? For this to be over, period. Let the children play their political games and get this over with. What I am really concerned about, and what many have stopped talking about is integrity of the upcoming elections. Again, I don't care who is hacking who. I just want there to be no hacking period. Maybe, just make, a degree of fairness in November can get this country back on track. I know, pipe dream, but I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

I guess I'd call myself a realist. Feel free to come join me in that camp. We have cookies...LOL

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