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Quite frankly I'm not happy with either party right now. I believe that many Americans feel the same way. If we can put that to the side for a minute and just discuss our President. He is not winning. His overall popularity rating is now down to 37%, his lowest ever. It has never been over 50%.
The popularity stuff you are saying about Trump is completely untrue. I didn't read the rest of your post because I assume all of that is lies as well.

The more the Dems talk about impeachment and say crazy stuff, the higher Trump's popularity goes. It's near a peak right now.
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The popularity stuff you are saying about Trump is completely untrue. I didn't read the rest of your post because I assume all of that is lies as well.

The more the Dems talk about impeachment and say crazy stuff, the higher Trump's popularity goes. It's near a peak right now.
Sorry Hack, but you need to put away your prejudices and just read. You "assume", is a poor excuse for not hearing someone out.

And by the way, there is not a single poll showing the Presidents popularity is at its highest level ever. Actually it is at its lowest. The presidents base is just that, it will never change. But a lot of people in the middle are starting to see things differently.

And here is just one example. If you can show me one poll showing different, please post it.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
 

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The popularity stuff you are saying about Trump is completely untrue. I didn't read the rest of your post because I assume all of that is lies as well.
A lot of other stuff in that post was even more false. I get a kick out of quotes about popularity polls. What did the polls say about Trump vs. Hillary on election day or Truman vs. Dewey? Political pollsters are often crooked or incompetent. Based on answers to the question " Do you still beat your wife?", 100% of married men are spouse abusers.
 

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The more crazy and unreasonable things that get said about Trump by the entrenched establishment, the more I like Trump.
And i respect your opinion
They investigated him for 2 years trying to dig up dirt and couldn't find anything on him.
They weren't investigating Trump, they were investigating Russian interference into our election. What they found were a number of people working for/with Trump that were involved. And they found plenty. The Mueller report found a lot of wrong doings but decided to not indict. He decided to let congress decide what to do with his findings.
I can only think Trump must be one of the cleanest "politicians" ever. He's certainly the first to refuse to take a salary. I realize he has plenty of his own money due to his very successful businesses, but it still is a very meaningful act. I haven't seen any rich Democrats like Bernie give up their salaries.
Trump is "not" a politician, for better or worse. He is a rich businessman, for better or worse. His refusal to take a measly 400k salary is, quite frankly, a PR stunt. It is the equivalent to your refusing a $0.25 raise. Many politicians, from both parties have refused their salary over the years. NY mayor Michael Bloomberg, for one.
 

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I get a kick out of quotes about popularity polls. What did the polls say about Trump vs. Hillary on election day or Truman vs. Dewey?
So your argument about polls, in general, is to pick out two over the past 100 years that were wrong? Come on, you know better.
Political pollsters are often crooked or incompetent
OK, I'm not going to disagree because I do not know. Can you please show me some proof of that?

By the way if there is a Fox News poll showing the Presidents popularity, I'd love to see it. Please post it.
 

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So your argument about polls, in general, is to pick out two over the past 100 years that were wrong? Come on, you know better.

OK, I'm not going to disagree because I do not know. Can you please show me some proof of that?

By the way if there is a Fox News poll showing the Presidents popularity, I'd love to see it. Please post it.
I'm not interested in political polls. Haven't been in many decades because many/most are flawed. Not realizing I'd be asked, I didn't write down specific flawed questions I've seen in polls since I started studying them in the '70s; But I can give you a link (first search result) describing common problems with questions - it doesn't list all. Before reading, think about why you reject out of hand the idea polls are flawed. For example: showing the majority of polls on two flawed topics were wrong IS proof that some polls are flawed but the fact that only two were mentioned is no indication of how many or percent are flawed. I sense a bias.

https://surveytown.com/10-examples-of-biased-survey-questions/

In addition to flaws built into the wording of questions, pollsters may accidentally or intentionally ask a population that is not representative. For example, a phone poll isn't going to tell you anything about people who don't have phones or don't answer calls from pollsters. It is not trivial to detect the more subtle problems. Pollsters are somewhat like weathermen except weathermen are less likely to be biassed. Neither have enough or the right information to make a prediction with high enough certainty for this person to base an important decision/belief on.
 

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Before reading, think about why you reject out of hand the idea polls are flawed
I do not reject the idea out of hand. I believe like everything else, including weather reports, that there are goods ones and bad ones. It is up to you and I to read and decipher them. What we take away from them is our business. It is not my place to tell you that your opinion is wrong.
 

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I do not reject the idea out of hand. I believe like everything else, including weather reports, that there are goods ones and bad ones. It is up to you and I to read and decipher them. What we take away from them is our business. It is not my place to tell you that your opinion is wrong.
Exactly. And since I have seen SO many badly worded and executed polls and since the vast majority do NOT provide me any value even if not flawed, definitely not worth reading/hearing much less analyzing to find the flaws.

You might want to think about why polls are published. Aside from filling a tiny amount of air time or space on some printed page that MUST be filled or else, the next most important motivation is to influence an audience. So, I don't pay attention to polls for the same reasons I don't watch comercials.
 

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Exactly. And since I have seen SO many badly worded and executed polls and since the vast majority do NOT provide me any value even if not flawed, definitely not worth reading/hearing much less analyzing to find the flaws.

You might want to think about why polls are published. Aside from filling a tiny amount of air time or space on some printed page that MUST be filled or else, the next most important motivation is to influence an audience. So, I don't pay attention to polls for the same reasons I don't watch comercials.
Well there we have to agree to disagree. :cwl: There are some great commercials........
 

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Well there we have to agree to disagree. :cwl: There are some great commercials........
I should have said I only watch commercials recommended by a friend.

But I don't read polls recommended by a friend. :wink:
 

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OK, so I'm a lifelong democrat. I grew up in the day that your party was your parents party. That does not mean I'm an ultra liberal. Actually I'm a centrist meaning I always look at both sides of an argument. I'm also changing to become an independent because I'm not happy with the democratic party either. I have also voted for republicans before if I thought they were the best for the office. I voted for Giuliani for mayor of NY and Chris Christie for governor of NJ.
So about Mr. Trump. I noticed that none of you are from NY (one from NJ). You need to read up on him. I'm not talking about the last three years. I'm talking about 10 or 20 years ago. I have family in the real estate business and believe me when i say that Mr. Trump was the furthest thing from a success. He was, to put it in kindly, a scumbag (families word, not mine. I do not know him personally). Like I said, read, there are plenty of articles about the way he did things, the people he hurt and the businesses he destroyed. He is not really a republican, nor a conservative. What he is, and he is really very good at it, is a con man. This is not a political comment, just the reality of what/who he is. What he is doing as President is no different than what he did in the private sector.

So stop hating the democrats so much that you are blinded by what Trump has done and is doing. Stop listening to both side of the media zoo, although even Fox is finally had enough of him. The divisiveness is killing our country. We need to stop fighting amongst each other and, at least, try to find the truth no matter what it is.

So do I think Mr. Trump will me impeached, absolutely yes. Even Mitch McConnell says the Senate would have 'no choice' but to hold a trial if Trump is impeached. That tells you everything you need to hear, right there. And lastly, don't kid yourself about the republicans in the congress. When public opinion gets above 50% on impeachment, they will change their tune. That's what happened with Nixon and it will happen here. They only care about getting re-elected. If the tide turns so will they. There have already been a number of reports that key republicans have said as much "in private".

And finally, if I'm wrong about all of this, I'll vote for Trump next year. :)
I would imagine that being a nice person in the New York real estate market gets you sore and sorry. Frankly, TRUMP has done EXACTLY what he said he would do if made president. What a refreshing change.
 

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My wife sits at home and watches the news all day, I come home she is all wig out about what the current day "Get Trump lies" that the news has been crapping out.
Then I have to spend twenty minutes showing her the truth with research.
When ever I talk to someone that talks bad about President Trump I can usually tell what channel they listen too by what lies they are taking for truth.
 

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Sorry Hack, but you need to put away your prejudices and just read. You "assume", is a poor excuse for not hearing someone out.

And by the way, there is not a single poll showing the Presidents popularity is at its highest level ever. Actually it is at its lowest. The presidents base is just that, it will never change. But a lot of people in the middle are starting to see things differently.

And here is just one example. If you can show me one poll showing different, please post it.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls This poll shows his approval at 45% and currently on its way up. It was 48% in February 2017, so you are right it has been higher.

And you are completely wrong about it being low and you keep spewing that hatred.

Many people who were on welfare during Obama's presidency now have jobs. I bet at least some of them like Trump more than previously. Trump has gotten great results in helping people. Obama really hurt the people during his presidency with record numbers of people on welfare.

And i respect your opinion

They weren't investigating Trump, they were investigating Russian interference into our election. What they found were a number of people working for/with Trump that were involved. And they found plenty. The Mueller report found a lot of wrong doings but decided to not indict. He decided to let congress decide what to do with his findings.

Trump is "not" a politician, for better or worse. He is a rich businessman, for better or worse. His refusal to take a measly 400k salary is, quite frankly, a PR stunt. It is the equivalent to your refusing a $0.25 raise. Many politicians, from both parties have refused their salary over the years. NY mayor Michael Bloomberg, for one.
There was zero evidence of anyone in Trump's camp working on Russian interference. Hilary and some other Dems were working with Ukraine to interfere, but that hasn't been reported much.
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/...and-the-democrats-cooperating-with-ukrainians

You are wrong that "they found plenty". You really have to start looking more in depth into what is going on. You seem to be completely buying into the false narratives of the fake news media.

So your argument about polls, in general, is to pick out two over the past 100 years that were wrong? Come on, you know better.

OK, I'm not going to disagree because I do not know. Can you please show me some proof of that?

By the way if there is a Fox News poll showing the Presidents popularity, I'd love to see it. Please post it.
See above.

My wife sits at home and watches the news all day, I come home she is all wig out about what the current day "Get Trump lies" that the news has been crapping out.
Then I have to spend twenty minutes showing her the truth with research.
When ever I talk to someone that talks bad about President Trump I can usually tell what channel they listen too by what lies they are taking for truth.
Agreed that it's annoying how much the general news media lies about what is happening in our country.
 

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Adam Shifty, puppeteer, liar, seems he guided the so call whistle blower. He been in on it before whistle blower report filed. So corrupt. I would be embarrassed to call myself a democrats. Lies just like Russian collusion
No this won't be on your news.
Looks like Bernie is out, Warren giving tearful get well. Biden most likely on a sinking ship.
Warren for President now
 

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