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If you have a PP2 and MONEY/VALUE IS A CONCERN then the mach 1 is NOT worth it. Even if you want a 3rd pedal in your PP2 a tremec swap would be cost effective over a mach 1.

I was considering a mach 1 but I feel like that car would be best left stock with aftermarket rims at best. Over 70g here after tax. Crazy
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If you have a PP2 and MONEY/VALUE IS A CONCERN then the mach 1 is NOT worth it. Even if you want a 3rd pedal in your PP2 a tremec swap would be cost effective over a mach 1.

I was considering a mach 1 but I feel like that car would be best left stock with aftermarket rims at best. Over 70g here after tax. Crazy
At that price range I'm looking at an AMG C63 or Audi and not a Mustang.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Tire_Quality_Grading

Note the test is USELESS as it concerns driving on a track and trying to put a lap time down.
If you read the web page you linked to, it confirms what I said about UTQG ratings being based on a standardized test that was written by the US government and that ratings are monitored by a government agency for accuracy.

I missed the part on the web page you linked to where it says that UTQG ratings are for marketing only and are largely meaningless. Can you please point that out to me?

It only takes a few minutes to compare UTQG ratings of various tires and see that the ratings and lap times have a relationship. Of course, how grippy a tire is will be only one component of performance, but you can take any brand and multiple tires and look at various UTQG ratings and it will be obvious which tires have the highest performance in summer.

Now could you please stop making excuses for why the Mustang beats the Camaro with a roughly equivalent tire and talk about the Mach 1 being a bargain?
 

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At that price range I'm looking at an AMG C63 or Audi and not a Mustang.
I might look at something else at $60K plus, but NOT an audi. Owned an S4 and that was 18 months of my life I'll never get back. What an unreliable hunk of junk. I have a friend who works in finance for Audi USA and he'll confirm that Audis and Porsches built on the same platforms as Volkswagens are just VW's with higher markups, not higher quality.
 

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I might look at something else at $60K plus, but NOT an audi. Owned an S4 and that was 18 months of my life I'll never get back. What an unreliable hunk of junk. I have a friend who works in finance for Audi USA and he'll confirm that Audis and Porsches built on the same platforms as Volkswagens are just VW's with higher markups, not higher quality.
That's why I'd also have an extended warranty, lol.
 

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At that price range I'm looking at an AMG C63 or Audi and not a Mustang.
Except they are even more lol. I agree though that 75k is a tough pill to swallow for something that goes a bit faster in a straight line than a 1LE. at the end of the day it is just a fancier GT or a less cool GT350.
 

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The title of the thread is "Why the Mach 1 is a bargain..."

In response to that, here is my answer. Some of these details I just learned, some I already knew:

These are kind of in order of importance:

Tremec 6 speed transmission
Exterior appearance including unique striping, front fascia, Mach 1 emblems
Unique exhaust sound (vs active exhaust on the GT) and very cool exhaust tips
PP 1 handling package with unique Mach 1 tuning, GT 350/500 parts.
MagneRide
Unique wheels (I ordered the performance wheels)
Much better cooling
An owners manual that actually tells you how to set up the car to track or drag race it (this was never on my Bullitt or GT manuals) which tells me Ford made this Mach 1 to DRIVE!

Comparing the Mach 1 I ordered to a Mustang GT Premium with similar options was approximately $4,500 more for the Mach 1.

So, I am paying this "premium" for a car with:

More HP
Better handling
Wider wheels
Better cooling
More distinct and unique
Much better transmission including 5 speeds with one OD vs 4 speeds with 2 OD

That is what makes the Mach 1 a bargain.
I would also submit that compared to the differences between Mach1 and the GT the last time back in 2003/2004, Ford has stepped up the add-ons and true track focused options to provide a well apportioned car deserving of the name
 

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I missed the part on the web page you linked to where it says that UTQG ratings are for marketing only and are largely meaningless. Can you please point that out to me?
that was in the tirebuyer.com page. There is no validation of UTQG ratings. A tire can be 300 and the manufacturer can claim it's 220. They just can't claim it's over 300. It's just a marketing excercise at this point backed by a "kernel" of truth and again, it's vendor financed and while strictly speaking the tires SHOULD be within a confidence interval band, comparing them across brands is at best a suggestion and not factual.

For example I have a set of practically new Pirelli PZero with a claimed UTQD of 80, yes 80. They don't grip anywhere near as well as a used set of Cup2. That should be impossible, no?

Now could you please stop making excuses for why the Mustang beats the Camaro with a roughly equivalent tire
most of my posts are in the 'rip-off' thread. :) Again UTQD ratings have very little correlation with lap times on a track. SC3 == PS4S has been established over and over. Marketing lingo or UTQD are irrelevant to the discussion. The 1 second advantage the PP2 shod with Cup2 is adequately explained by the tire choice of SC3 on the Camaro. The very same PP2 car shod with SC3 will likewise fall short by ~1 second.
 
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Okay, I'd love to have a 2021 Mach1 because I can get one that is closer to what I want with the transmission, and coolers, but it's not worth trading my PP2 for one. Now if I still had my 13 GT, or maybe if I had a 16 then I would be ready to trade. It just doesn't make since now.
 

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Okay, I'd love to have a 2021 Mach1 because I can get one that is closer to what I want with the transmission, and coolers, but it's not worth trading my PP2 for one. Now if I still had my 13 GT, or maybe if I had a 16 then I would be ready to trade. It just doesn't make since now.
Same here... just ran some numbers and with a great trade-in number on my car and $2K below sticker on a Mach with the options I want, my total debt would still increase by about $30,000. For that kind of money I could put a blower and the Mach transmission on my car and still have $15-$18K left over.
 

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Same here... just ran some numbers and with a great trade-in number on my car and $2K below sticker on a Mach with the options I want, my total debt would still increase by about $30,000. For that kind of money I could put a blower and the Mach transmission on my car and still have $15-$18K left over.
But you would still have a Mustang GT and not a Mach 1. And that’s fine if all you want is a modified GT. Those who ”want” a Mach 1 will not be rationalizing the numbers (as ridiculous as they may be). Really goes for any special/limited edition model. Special is in the eye of the beholder.
 

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But you would still have a Mustang GT and not a Mach 1. And that’s fine if all you want is a modified GT. Those who ”want” a Mach 1 will not be rationalizing the numbers (as ridiculous as they may be). Really goes for any special/limited edition model. Special is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree. If I got a mach 1 it would be buy it and drive it. No modding. leave that for the GTs (in my opinion). I'm enjoying modding my car as it's been about 10 years since I've had a car to modify. once this gets old the S650 will be out and more than likely something better....and probably 90k lol
 

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But you would still have a Mustang GT and not a Mach 1. And that’s fine if all you want is a modified GT. Those who ”want” a Mach 1 will not be rationalizing the numbers (as ridiculous as they may be). Really goes for any special/limited edition model. Special is in the eye of the beholder.
... which all goes back to my original point of, what are people willing to pay for badges and emblems. Not saying its right or wrong. Just saying that if people couldn’t tell visually what it was, would the cost be worth the performance gains to them. That’s why I’m so interested in test data.
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