Why no performance pack for the automatic GT? (outside 50th ann. ed.)

[Busa_dxb]

Without getting into the whole auto vs. manual debate… (I DON'T WANT A MANUAL, PERIOD)

Only track mine would see is the local 1/8 mile and maybe the 1/4 mile in St.Louis.

I want gloss black wheels with Triple Yellow. Silver won't do. I don't want to go and pay for aftermarket wheels when I wouldn't have to. And I'm not going to plasti-dip my wheels either. I want the safety and security of the front Brembo brakes, not only at the tail end of my local track where there isn't a long slow-down area and the ability to stop on a dime with all the dipstick drivers in my area. Braking is important to me. I don't want to have to pay thousands of dollars after buying a new vehicle to get these things that I want. I don't want to "settle".

Currently you can get the Brembo brake package on the '14's with the brakes and wheels. I think this would satisfy me if that package were offered with the automatic. But I would still want the gauges and the front splitter. I'm okay with missing out on the 3.55 gears, which would be nice, but since my car will be a 99% DD 1% track car isn't a must. Yet again I don't want to have to pay for something that could have come stock.

I'm not saying it is a deal breaker, but it very well could be unless a Brembo Package with the brakes and wheels isn't offered.

Im in the same boat as you. Im currently contemplating to hold off one year and just get the 2014 GT which is super cheap ATM.

Hopefully they offer Grabber Blue and PP with the auto at some point.

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[Five Oh Brian]

If drag racing were the priority then the Performance Package would be a complete waste. Actually it would make things more difficult especially when trying to mount drag wheels/tires.

Exactly why I replaced my '11 Brembo GT with a '14 GT automatic. Plus, the automatic is quicker and more consistent at the drag strip.

 

[Terlingua]

It's a bonehead move by Ford.

I want:

1) Gotta be a convertible
2) As much performance as possible - PP is a minimum for consideration
3) Automatic - all major performance cars are going auto now

Ultimately, I hope the GT350 is offered with an automatic (like some 60s Shelby's eventually were - if it made sense then, it makes more sense today - after Vipers and Corvettes, I'm just at a point where I've lost interest in shifting)

Otherwise, I would have been in line for a 50th if it had been a convertible.

 

[HGFireHazard]

It's a bonehead move by Ford.

I want:

1) Gotta be a convertible
2) As much performance as possible - PP is a minimum for consideration
3) Automatic - all major performance cars are going auto now

Ultimately, I hope the GT350 is offered with an automatic (like some 60s Shelby's eventually were - if it made sense then, it makes more sense today - after Vipers and Corvettes, I'm just at a point where I've lost interest in shifting)

Otherwise, I would have been in line for a 50th if it had been a convertible.

You want as much performance as possible yet you must have a convertible over the coupe? It seems odd to me to hold such a high requirement on needing the PP but also neglecting the increased performance the coupe will have over the vert. If your number one concern is performance the convertible shouldn't even be on your radar.

 

[Terlingua]

You want as much performance as possible yet you must have a convertible over the coupe? It seems odd to me to hold such a high requirement on needing the PP but also neglecting the increased performance the coupe will have over the vert. If your number one concern is performance the convertible shouldn't even be on your radar.

It's what I want. :rant: I've driven track cars. This ain't gonna be my track car.

I've owned Vipers, but only as roadsters. I won't touch the current Viper because it's not offered in a convertible anymore (and sales have tanked).

I also like 1965 289 FIA Cobras - also convertibles. I have a '65 Shelby clone for vintage racing, if I want a roll bar and roof over my head.

Convertibles are more fun - especially with bad azz performance characteristics.

It's what I want.

 

[spectremotorsports]

You want as much performance as possible yet you must have a convertible over the coupe? It seems odd to me to hold such a high requirement on needing the PP but also neglecting the increased performance the coupe will have over the vert. If your number one concern is performance the convertible shouldn't even be on your radar.

Nowadays most well engineered convertibles perform equally well to their hard topped brethren, the only difference being the weight gain of roof mechanicals. There seems to be this strange old-school mentality around here that the only performance car is one with a hard top and a manual transmission. That's no longer true these days.



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[Grimace427]

Nowadays most well engineered convertibles perform equally well to their hard topped brethren, the only difference being the weight gain of roof mechanicals. There seems to be this strange old-school mentality around here that the only performance car is one with a hard top and a manual transmission. That's no longer true these days.



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Actual racetracks will still treat convertible cars the same as they have in the past, regardless of their performance levels. It's about the safety of the occupants at high speeds.

 

[spectremotorsports]

Actual racetracks will still treat convertible cars the same as they have in the past, regardless of their performance levels. It's about the safety of the occupants at high speeds.

You're correct, but just because your car isn't allowed at a racetrack doesn't mean it's not a performance car, it simply means it isn't a track car.


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[Five Oh Brian]

Actual racetracks will still treat convertible cars the same as they have in the past, regardless of their performance levels. It's about the safety of the occupants at high speeds.

So glad our local tracks treat my glass roof '14 GT as a coupe. The glass roof was a great 3rd option for coupe structure with near convertible views up above. And if I need wind in my hair, I roll down both windows.

 

[spectremotorsports]

So glad our local tracks treat my glass roof '14 GT as a coupe. The glass roof was a great 3rd option for coupe structure with near convertible views up above. And if I need wind in my hair, I roll down both windows.

You're a lucky guy, the tracks I've driven at won't allow glass roofs at all :-/


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[aspensilver]

If they don't offer some kind of PP for the auto they are just leaving money on the table for no reason except maybe some stupid old school manual transmission bravado? Barf, get enough of that on forums.

I agree a lack of PP on the auto may seriously nudge me away from this car. Some stuff on my fusion is scaring me away from ford in general too so this is a step in the wrong direction for sure. I've spent too much time working on my BMW w/ mods etc I just wanted to buy a car how I want it and forget it for at least a few years and just enjoy.

Pretty lame from Ford. It's clearly a bad business decision as if you look at any car segment involving performance there are loads of auto drivers buying performance or performance add-ons now that autos are great for performance and are usually the faster of the 2 choices in most situations.

 

[C00KIE M0NSTER]

So the only Mustangs available in Europe will be manuals? Or is this another deception by One Ford again?

I've had it with this One Ford bullchit.

Ford to America:
You know all the cool stuff you want that Ford builds but doesn't offer in the US? Yeah now we're going to say you can get it in the US but really that's just a lie, cause Americans are dumb so fuk them, we will continue to give them the chitty stuff. That sweet Focus ST wagon, no you can't have that. Adaptive HID headlights? Yeah that comes on the Mondeo, but haha you can only get halogens even on the Titanium Fusion, because fuk you that's why. Do you want diesels and Ecoboosts engines in a sporty package? Come over to Europe cause you sure as chit aren't getting that in America. You can only get the best fuel economy if you stick with our crappy base models. If you want anything else, fuk you.

 

[w3rkn]

C'mon guys..
How long is the MY15 going to be..?
Everything changes for MY16 & beyond. These are limited edition 50th (ie: 2015) anniversary Mustangs, of a limited run... right?

Secondly, their market research might suggest, that those who want AUTOs might also, well enjoy the 300+hp ecoboost more. Plus, torque is what people like... (turbo = tq).

 

[Trackaholic]

So the only Mustangs available in Europe will be manuals? Or is this another deception by One Ford again?

I've had it with this One Ford bullchit.

Ford to America:
You know all the cool stuff you want that Ford builds but doesn't offer in the US? Yeah now we're going to say you can get it in the US but really that's just a lie, cause Americans are dumb so fuk them, we will continue to give them the chitty stuff. That sweet Focus ST wagon, no you can't have that. Adaptive HID headlights? Yeah that comes on the Mondeo, but haha you can only get halogens even on the Titanium Fusion, because fuk you that's why. Do you want diesels and Ecoboosts engines in a sporty package? Come over to Europe cause you sure as chit aren't getting that in America. You can only get the best fuel economy if you stick with our crappy base models. If you want anything else, fuk you.

Several of your examples are the way they are due to regulations that shape demand rather than the company just being mean. Diesels are more available I. Europe because they don't have the same restrictions on particulates as the US. Therefore they don't require the same urea after treatments that we do. Diesel fuel is also less expensive from what I've heard. Much of that will change as the new euro emissions standards are adopted which will bring them in line with what the USA has had. It may make diesels more available here now that regulations are more similar. Headlights might be another area where the US has different laws. I think we've been quite a bit behind in allowing some of the more advanced lighting features. Again, new regulations may bring the various laws into better alignment going forward.

I do agree on the complaint regarding the Focus ST wagon though. That's just mean.

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[gojensen]

Well, on the other hand we (Europeans) aren't getting the Focus sedan/coupe version at all... only the "hatchback"...

Though I think what clearly infuriates me is the idea they are still sticking with to make "packages" for the cars. Why NOT let the customer pick and choose? It's what a lot of other companies are doing (over here atleast) like Audi, BMW and Tesla...

And even MORE so when they clearly says we CAN make an auto PP (the 50th)... we just WON'T.

And didn't I read somewhere else that the PP wouldn't be offered on the convertible either?

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