Wheel installation torque?

[Jon|3.7]

had a guy torque mine to 175! guy putting my new wheels had trouble taking it off

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[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

had a guy torque mine to 175! guy putting my new wheels had trouble taking it off

ya you can get a lug stuck like that.

Ive also seen guys use impact guns that go up to 300 and rail a lug nut on there, good luck getting it off its hell at that point.

The matter of the fact is people and I am saying this transparently.

You can go from 100 lbs to 150 lbs on any wheel and you are fine, 100 being the lowest and it still works ( Example my 350 aftermarket wheels are at 100 lbs and not a single issue) .

Now if you go more then 150 I will say this the lug nut regardless oem or aftermarket will be hard as hell to get off

 

[scott_0]

I dont know about anyone else, but I dont feel comfortable torquing tiny ass (small diameter) lug nuts that pretty much all aftermarket wheels require to 148, hell it feels like something is going to break when torquing the huge stock hardware to 148, I just dont get a warm fuzzy feeling torquing small diameter lug nuts to that number, I do 120 and Im 100% comfortable with that number, I check them about once a month, hasnt been an issue in the nearly a year Ive had aftermarket wheels on this car..........

 

[Kong76]

That makes sense Scott. Side note I use to live in Elkton Pa. Dated a red head girl from Oxford. Met her in Vegas, chased her back East..lol. Damn red heads!

I meant Maryland but you could walk to Pa.

 

[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

That makes sense Scott. Side note I use to live in Elkton Pa. Dated a red head girl from Oxford. Met her in Vegas, chased her back East..lol. Damn red heads!

Lmao

 

[2morrow]

I went round and round with a Ford Service manager and he showed me this from their manual. I torque my aftermarket wheels to this spec as well.

 

[scott_0]

That makes sense Scott. Side note I use to live in Elkton Pa. Dated a red head girl from Oxford. Met her in Vegas, chased her back East..lol. Damn red heads!

I meant Maryland but you could walk to Pa.

lol yeah those red heads get you, I dated one a long time ago, also from Oxford, she wasn't named Allie was she? :lol:

 

[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

I went round and round with a Ford Service manager and he showed me this from their manual. I torque my aftermarket wheels to this spec as well.

The star pattern is always key

 

[EFI]

Part of it is because it has just been done this way as long as I have been in the business

That's a bit concerning that someone partially recommends something based on what they have done in the past disregarding the actual physics behind it. I'm glad you're honest and you did admit that...but that's not exactly the answer most of us want to hear for you reasoning to go with that torque value.

And that answer just makes me more confident in my choice to run the 150lbs that Ford recommends and not the 100lbs that some people are recommending. One does it because of physics and testing of the actual hardware and the other does it just because that's what they have done in the past.

 

[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

That's a bit concerning that someone partially recommends something based on what they have done in the past disregarding the actual physics behind it. I'm glad you're honest and you did admit that...but that's not exactly the answer most of us want to hear for you reasoning to go with that torque value.

And that answer just makes me more confident in my choice to run the 150lbs that Ford recommends and not the 100lbs that some people are recommending. One does it because of physics and testing of the actual hardware and the other does it just because that's what they have done in the past.

It is understandable and that is why I am being involved in this thread, because I know other vendors would not jump in this thread to speak due to getting "heat" but reality is this mostly every vendor does 100 ft lbs.

Now I have no issue doing wheels at 150 and I will do it I appreciate you speaking up sir.

 

[NightmareMoon]

No offense again to Paul and other wheel vendors, but...

The wheel vendors are the last guys I expect to be hip to the S550's changed specs vs the previous gen mustangs with smaller studs. Besides they sell wheels to a lot of cars and if you torque a smaller stud to 150 it would probably break. They started at 100 a long time ago and still use that on the S550 - even though its wrong.

100 is enough to keep the wheel on the car most of the time, and if they do loosen later, the wheel vendors wont hear about it, the mechanics and service managers will.

Listen to your Ford service managers on this issue, not the wheel guys, even tho they're just trying to be helpful.

 

[lugz]

Jeebus, you'd think this discussion was about God or politics. LOL. BTW, my Focus ST had the exact same wheel studs on it, and you know what the factory specified torque was? 100 lb-ft. For what it's worth. ;)

 

[melwff]

Concerning the aftermarket wheel manufacturers recommending 100 ft/lbs and the subsequent comments about physics, did anybody consider that the nuts supplied by the aftermarket manufacturer may be made out of a different quality steel and would fail at 148/150 ft/lbs.

 

[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

Concerning the aftermarket wheel manufacturers recommending 100 ft/lbs and the subsequent comments about physics, did anybody consider that the nuts supplied by the aftermarket manufacturer may be made out of a different quality steel and would fail at 148/150 ft/lbs.

Well That is a strong factor to consider, reason being is that forged Aluminium lugs used for racing are typcially torqued at 90-100 depending from what I remember my buddies doing.

So yes but I have done aftermarket lugs at 148 it can be done ( dont use a gun ever !) hand torqued yes but this is something to consider.

 

[Bankss550]

I torqued my lugs, provided by Paul @pkauto, to 148 last night. Haven't driven on the wheels yet but it appears they can handle the factory specs. Honestly me snugging them up with my breaker bar alone got them really close to factory spec and just to the touch it felt right. I'm not a huge strong guy either lol. Oh and these lugs are on Velgen VMB5s if it matters.

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