Was I wrong about the LE?

[EXP Jawa]

I get bored sitting in a car waiting for two minutes after i start it and i feel guilty driving a car without letting it warm up first.

The best way to warm up a car is to drive it, any automotive engineer will tell you that. Actually put a load on the system and force it work some. Sitting there idling for no other reason only wastes gas. If you want a remote start so that the cabin warms up in the winter before you get outside, fine. But sitting there with it running just so the engine warms up is nonsense. These aren't poorly jetted carburated cars with finicky chokes. There is no practical need to warm up a modern, fuel injected engine before driving it somewhere.

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[L8APEX]

Plus the PP/Auto exclusivity everyone else mentioned.

Until 2016MY when Ford makes the PP/Auto available on non-LEs

 

[EXP Jawa]

Until 2016MY when Ford makes the PP/Auto available on non-LEs

People keep saying that, but I want to know where that idea is coming from. Ford doesn't do it now, and they haven't done anything like that before. You can get the Brembo brake upgrade with the A/T (and 'vert), but you cannot get the GT Track Package, as that's M/T coupe only. The GT Track Pack is the direct equivalent to the new car's PP, and there doesn't appear to be an plan for an option that just gives you the brakes, wheels & tires like the current car offers.

 

[GiddyUp15]

The best way to warm up a car is to drive it, any automotive engineer will tell you that. Actually put a load on the system and force it work some. Sitting there idling for no other reason only wastes gas. If you want a remote start so that the cabin warms up in the winter before you get outside, fine. But sitting there with it running just so the engine warms up is nonsense. These aren't poorly jetted carburated cars with finicky chokes. There is no practical need to warm up a modern, fuel injected engine before driving it somewhere.

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[Old 5 Oh]

So I called and changed my order to an automatic since it hasn't been given a VIN yet. Am I going to regret it?

Far be it from me to talk you out of it. See below. My new license plate will be "50TH GTA"

 

[DeColores]

I love the idea that you can get auto with PP. Very rare = Incredible value! Let's say 1/2 of the 1964 are autos with PP that all there is of PP AUTO V8's. There will be tens of thousands of PP manual V8's.

High 5 to you and your Angels...wow!

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[Twin Turbo]

I'm really hoping the Auto comes with PP for the '16MY!!

 

[Thed]

Sitting there idling for no other reason only wastes gas. If you want a remote start so that the cabin warms up in the winter before you get outside, fine. But sitting there with it running just so the engine warms up is nonsense. These aren't poorly jetted carburated cars with finicky chokes. There is no practical need to warm up a modern, fuel injected engine before driving it somewhere.

There is a reason. It's called getting the oil up to temperature. With the oil at the wrong temperature, the viscosity is not ideal for driving.

You say that there is no difference, I say the main bearings that were taken out of two trucks at my shop told a different story, as well as the cylinder walls. Mileage was almost identical. Difference? One set had had indications of burns and scoring, the other looked showroom new. Plus the longer the oil is up to temperature, the more contaminants it can burn off in the system, effectively lengthening the oil service life as well as total engine life.

Yes EFI has made cold starts easier and stricter tolerances have improved efficiency as well as longevity, but there has not been a case so far where driving an engine cold has made it last longer than an engine that has been warmed up before being put under a load.

 

[EXP Jawa]

My point was that putting the engine under load gets it (the oil, coolant, etc) up to temperature faster. The tale of two engines doesn't tell me much without knowing a lot more about their history - oil used, change interval, where they had been all their lives (climate, elevation); there are way too many variables to say that the only difference was warm-up time. That's not to say it isn't the difference, but there's no way from what I see presented here that I could draw that conclusion. If the OEM engineers say that driving them warms them up faster and is overall better, than I have to agree. I stand by my statement.

 

[Thed]

Yes putting an engine under load cold does warm it up faster. But the more load you put it under, the more your bottom end gets chewed up. With oil at the incorrect viscosity, the crankshaft will not be perfectly in line with the rod or main bearings. This causes slop in the bottom end, and slop chews up rings and piston skirts. It may not do it much each time the engine is started cold, but it does add up over the engine's lifetime.

 

[EXP Jawa]

That's why we have dual-viscosity engine oils. There's a cold mode that's in use prior to warm up, the a high viscosity mode post warm up. I'm sure you know this, but that is why that exists.

Look, if it were as bad as you say, then it would never pass validation requirements for 150K+ mile lifespans. Bottom line is that by following the recommended procedures validated by the engineers that developed the components and specified the lubricant, you're not going to have any perceivable problem. If you don't, then you're likely to see other results.

I've got a '98 Mountaineer with a 5.0L that is primarily driven in the cold weather months that has 323K miles on it, engine all original save for the water pump. Oil usage is minimal, leaks are minimal, and the damn thing doesn't owe me a dime. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

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