Warranty Question

[TRCKWMD]

Hey y'all. I'm contracted on a GT350R. 2017 Ruby Red. The car has a watson roll bar (4 Point) with Sparco harnesses. It does have track history and a replacement motor (gen 2) which i'm totally fine with, i plan on using this for the same purpose as well as a canyon car. My question lies in the language in the Ford ESP contract. Im having hesitation in signing this based on the two highlighted areas. I don't think that the GT350R classifies as a "modified Shelby American Car" the same way a Roush would since this was a factory produced car and not styled up after the fact. The kicker for me is the modfication section, specifically Ford stating that they can deny the warranty for the installation of a Roll Bar. This is a topic that has been beat up, I get that, just wondering on input from those that have had to deal with a claim and seeing how that played out. Yes, alot of it has to deal with your relationship to the dealer and the person doing the claim, but need some community feedback.

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[UpACurb]

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[MiamiGT350]

Suggest you read up on this thread. Ford ESP's warranty definition of "tracking a car" seems to be different than Ford's manufacturer warranty.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...y-denied-claim-due-to-off-road-racing.192755/

 

[MiamiGT350]

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[5550snotamerc]

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Beat me to it.

 

[pilotgore]

Hey y'all. I'm contracted on a GT350R. 2017 Ruby Red. The car has a watson roll bar (4 Point) with Sparco harnesses. It does have track history and a replacement motor (gen 2) which i'm totally fine with, i plan on using this for the same purpose as well as a canyon car. My question lies in the language in the Ford ESP contract. Im having hesitation in signing this based on the two highlighted areas. I don't think that the GT350R classifies as a "modified Shelby American Car" the same way a Roush would since this was a factory produced car and not styled up after the fact. The kicker for me is the modfication section, specifically Ford stating that they can deny the warranty for the installation of a Roll Bar. This is a topic that has been beat up, I get that, just wondering on input from those that have had to deal with a claim and seeing how that played out. Yes, alot of it has to deal with your relationship to the dealer and the person doing the claim, but need some community feedback.

The first section doesn’t apply to you, so good to go there.

The second section is essentially saying any failure associated with a modification isn’t covered. If you modify the engine and the engine tanks, the warranty won’t cover you. If you install a roll cage and the engine fails, you’re fine since the cage could not have caused the engine to fail. If you have larger tires and a wheel bearing fails, they could likely deny that claim since that one modification could effect the wheel bearing.

 

[TRCKWMD]

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This was actually the stem of the question; reading that thread. In this case it seemed that "visual" observations were what the warranty company was looking at/for and the basis of the denial was neglect, not a roll bar. I guess we'll never know what the outcome would have been had the "paraphernalia" been removed, but leads me to believe that the outcome could have been different.

Im agreement with most that there is no way that a roll bar has any impact on a cars driveline (motor/transmission), however, speculation and wandering minds might assume "abuse". At the end of the day, this was a car that was touted as a track car and designed for racing. I just don't see how legally that basis of denial holds up in court with out the question of false marketing being introduced to a judge. Im completely fine spending $4K on a warranty to cover a scenario that might or might not ever arise, but i'm also one that understand gray area and will be sure to read the fine print.

I'm at an crossroads right now thinking about this. This to me is a car that Ford will never make again (high reving cross plane V8 with a manual) and is so special, but i also dont want to have to deal with the potential down the road for having to engage in legal action and months of my life wasted over something so petty. I do plan on taking driver education courses, never racing the car, but at the same time, using it for what it was intended for.

Would you all punt or just accept a fate that may or may never arise.

 

[mikedahammer]

I am not sorry I bought it. I am sorry they won't honor it. I think you should go with your gut and my thread should help you. Obviously there is no resolution yet for me and no two cases are the same. However the old adage about warranty companies finding a way to deny a claim seems to also be on point with this car (in my experience).

4K to some people is everything they have. I think most people will tell you that things are rock solid on the car but if a big one goes its super expensive. The odds of getting 4K worth of warranty work on non powertrain components is probably unlikely.

I paid $1,260 for my warranty when I bought it and the only reason I bought it was because the motor (gen 1) failed under the original warranty and I was willing to hedge my bets with additional coverage because to me $1,260 was nominal.

In the future I believe there will be an emphasis of warranty companies looking online for reasons to deny coverage to see if you want to fight the good fight. You have a picture of yourself, your username is trckwmd, and you posted about failures if on track. Not trying to be jerk; just saying if appearance can be used - you may not fair well if warranty companies will go to that extent.

Remember in my case, the dealership wanted to cover the repair and thought it was a covered part, but then the ESP said they wanted a third party to inspect the repair (i.e. just take pictures of the car) and then they denied coverage. Who is to say they don't currently scour the internet or won't do so in the future if it comes down to a major component to see if they can find you here, youtube, or somewhere else. That is just my opinion for what it is worth.

 

[TRCKWMD]

Well, I bought it. YOLO. If something happens, a 4K transmission isn't the end of the world. Now the wait begins. Transport should have it out here in a week or so.

 

[mikedahammer]

You'll love it. It's a great car. Enjoy!

 

[K4fxd]

I hate to be dishonest but if you do buy the ESP and if the engine or trans blows make sure you remove anything that looks like the car has been run on a track and say it never was if asked.

I truly believe if the warranty company is going to sell a warranty for a car advertised as track capable they needs to honor it.

 

[RedVuDu]

This was actually the stem of the question; reading that thread. In this case it seemed that "visual" observations were what the warranty company was looking at/for and the basis of the denial was neglect, not a roll bar. I guess we'll never know what the outcome would have been had the "paraphernalia" been removed, but leads me to believe that the outcome could have been different.

Im agreement with most that there is no way that a roll bar has any impact on a cars driveline (motor/transmission), however, speculation and wandering minds might assume "abuse". At the end of the day, this was a car that was touted as a track car and designed for racing. I just don't see how legally that basis of denial holds up in court with out the question of false marketing being introduced to a judge. Im completely fine spending $4K on a warranty to cover a scenario that might or might not ever arise, but i'm also one that understand gray area and will be sure to read the fine print.

I'm at an crossroads right now thinking about this. This to me is a car that Ford will never make again (high reving cross plane V8 with a manual) and is so special, but i also dont want to have to deal with the potential down the road for having to engage in legal action and months of my life wasted over something so petty. I do plan on taking driver education courses, never racing the car, but at the same time, using it for what it was intended for.

Would you all punt or just accept a fate that may or may never arise.

I just bought a warranty on my 2016 that I just bought used with low milage on it
. I've read all the horror sories and realize that most of the rumors and fears are overblown but also wanted to atleast cover the drivetrain on it. I had a quote on an ESP 3/36 but when I tried to buy it, they didn't want to cover a 2016 model. I wound up with the Ford Protect Powertrain care warranty for 4 years 20k miles. It came out to $2920. and it covers all internally lubricated parts in the driveline. I feel a little better knowing I have some kind or warranty on a major purchase.
The funny part is I also have a '66 GT350 clone that has the saame value, and don't have any coverage other than my Hagerty insurance, and feel completly comfortable with that. I guess that's because I can fix just about anything on it for much less money if something blew on it.

 

[TRCKWMD]

I just bought a warranty on my 2016 that I just bought used with low milage on it
. I've read all the horror sories and realize that most of the rumors and fears are overblown but also wanted to atleast cover the drivetrain on it. I had a quote on an ESP 3/36 but when I tried to buy it, they didn't want to cover a 2016 model. I wound up with the Ford Protect Powertrain care warranty for 4 years 20k miles. It came out to $2920. and it covers all internally lubricated parts in the driveline. I feel a little better knowing I have some kind or warranty on a major purchase.
The funny part is I also have a '66 GT350 clone that has the saame value, and don't have any coverage other than my Hagerty insurance, and feel completly comfortable with that. I guess that's because I can fix just about anything on it for much less money if something blew on it.

I’m fine with buying the car. It’s got a gen 2 motor in it already. Worst case I have to come out of pocket. Won’t be ideal but isn’t going to be the end of the world if something does happen. I’ll enjoy it up in the mountains this summer for the most part. Stoked to get it.. hopefully by this weekend.

 

[toothdkdr]

I just bought a 2019 GT350R 9K miles never tracked. Could use some help on best low cost option for an extended warrenty.

 

[Skye]

Could use some help on best low cost option for an extended warrenty.

@Granger Ford is a sponsor which sells Ford ESP plans for $50 above cost to those within the 3-year factory warranty. I've mentioned them for their feedback and guidance.

https://grangerfordextendedwarranty.com/

You've passed the 3-year/36,000 mi, 58,000 km window. Previously threads have referenced possibly buying a Ford extended warranty shortly after the factory bumper-to-bumper warranty expires, but I'd like to confirm if true and get the latest from Granger.

Still more options may come to light as the thread progresses.

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