Upgrade Path - Need Advice.

[wmsky33]

1. Tune and Spark Plugs (Click Here And Here)
2. Intercooler (Click Here)
3. Downpipe (Click Here)
4. Exhaust (Click Here)
5. Intake (Click Here)
6. Catch Can (Click Here)
7. Springs (Click Here)

I agree with all of the mods, but just not putting the CC sixth. For someone who has the money, there's no problem with doing the CC after the others because they'll all probably be done in a month or 2. For me, 1-5 will probably take a year or two to save up enough money. By that time, the valves could have a nice coat of carbon on them. I put the CC at #1, leaving the rest of the order as-is, so it'll keep the engine as clean as possible while I save up for the rest.

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[MAPerformance]

I agree with all of the mods, but just not putting the CC sixth. For someone who has the money, there's no problem with doing the CC after the others because they'll all probably be done in a month or 2. For me, 1-5 will probably take a year or two to save up enough money. By that time, the valves could have a nice coat of carbon on them. I put the CC at #1, leaving the rest of the order as-is, so it'll keep the engine as clean as possible while I save up for the rest.

With the modifications to the PCV system I recommend on our downpipe page above. You can put off the Catch Can. Our own car doesn't even have a catch can on it yet and the PCV system is functioning properly and looks good.

Before we put the built engine in though we will be doing a custom catch can system, I will promise you that! haha.

 

[Mishimoto]

Ecoboost PP. Car is my daily driver. Currently live in Vegas where temps during summer is a constant 100+F. I've been reading alot on this forum. I just need some input on my upgrade path. Car will probably never see track, but I do drive it with spirit, after all its a Mustang! My goal is to help the car "breath" better during summer, while increasing HP and torque. I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to mods and stuff. My current mods I have in mind are: Catch can, Intercooler, CAI, Tune, and colder spark plugs (in order).

1)Which are the "must have" mods for the Ecoboost?
2)Which mods will help extend the life of my car? I intent to own it for a long time.
3)Any special maintenance owning a Ecoboost engine? (off topic)

Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Lots of great responses so far that should help put you on the right track. As others have noted, a tune + plugs is going to net you the quickest power gains for the least amount of investment. Tacking on 100 wtq with a tune really wakes up the EB. Once complete, you may start to notice some heat-soak in regards to intake temperatures. The tiny factory intercooler is not really up to the task of repeated pulls at this power level. A nice bar-and-plate intercooler will keep those temperatures close to ambient and will adequately support the tune you have in place.

Once these two modifications are in place, you can begin to think about helping the EB breathe and sound a bit better. A downpipe upgrade will improve exhaust flow and will also change the exhaust note slightly, more turbo spool is always nice to hear. A cat-back exhaust section can also be added which, depending on brand and configuration, can add a ton of noise/volume. This particular modification selection will need to be weighed. A cat-back that is too loud can be extremely annoying for daily use. Be sure to check out sound clips of the different options to determine which will work best for you. An intake upgrade can improve airflow entering the engine, and is also a contributor to sound improvements when driving. With the factory airbox removed, the turbo suction is extremely audible.

This essentially covers the general bolt-on modifications for the EBM in terms of power output. Past this point, the investment amount grows and the slippery slope becomes even steeper. These basic modifications will certainly increase enjoyment and should support your power needs for general autocross and track day use.

With that in mind, a few other supporting modifications should be considered. A catch can was referenced in this thread a few times. I would also agree that this is an important addition. DI engines do require valve cleaning, a result of CCV system pushing oil through the intake and onto the valves. Without port injection to clean them, they can quickly become contaminated. Any component that will reduce oil buildup and extend the service/cleaning interval is a wise move. We saw a good deal of fluid accumulation during the testing of our catch can system, which is shown in the link below.

http://engineering.mishimoto.com/?cat=207

An oil cooler was also discussed, which is another modification to keep an eye on. Depending upon your vehicle use, this might end up being a necessity. The factory EBM does not come with an oil cooler. For those tracking their cars or driving aggressively in warm temperatures, a nice liquid-to-air heat exchanger will go a long way to keep temperatures regulated. If you need more information about an appropriate oil cooler solution, shoot us a PM and we will help you out.

Good luck with the car and future modification plans!

Thanks
-John

If keeping a long time just add a catch can to that list

According to my mechanic's research, the ecoboost is direct injected, meaning fuel is introduced directly into the combustion chamber and does not pass by the intake valve. It's supposedly the lack of this 'fuel washing' of the intake valve that causes the carbon buildup, or at least exacerbates it. Pretty much every new car sold today is direct injected, with the notable exception of the V8 Coyote (and possibly the V6) (again, according to my mechanic). Direct injection is the result of governmental demands for higher mpg, and like other stimuli or mandates (like ethanol

) the consumer gets the shaft with very little benefit. Unless, of course, said consumer is a corn farmer receiving subsidies. So yes, it is very likely that an ecoboost engine will need this cleaning. Just my .02

Agreed!

I live in Phoenix, it was 108 yesterday, so I feel your pain. I did catch can and intercooler first, then oil cooler right after. I'd say that's about it! I just ordered colder plugs too.

Good point!

 

[jc1804]

Oak Cafe, let's get some burgers and brew!

catch can was my first mod went with MISHIMOTO. looks great in there & gives me a piece of mind. Also one of the lowest price mods you will put in your EB.

Adam I was thinking the same Oak has good food & beer selection second to none, something like 100 different types :clap2:

 

[MAPerformance]

catch can was my first mod went with MISHIMOTO. looks great in there & gives me a piece of mind. Also one of the lowest price mods you will put in your EB.

Adam I was thinking the same Oak has good food & beer selection second to none, something like 100 different types :clap2:

216 ;) haha.

 

[TheNameAndy]

Made up my mind with the upgrade path I'm going to take which is best for me:

1)Catch can
2)Intercooler
3)Tune + sparkplugs
4)Intake
5)Downpipe


At the moment, I'm going to hold off on these two.

6)Exhaust
7)Springs

I agree with all of the mods, but just not putting the CC sixth. For someone who has the money, there's no problem with doing the CC after the others because they'll all probably be done in a month or 2. For me, 1-5 will probably take a year or two to save up enough money. By that time, the valves could have a nice coat of carbon on them. I put the CC at #1, leaving the rest of the order as-is, so it'll keep the engine as clean as possible while I save up for the rest.

I'm in the same boat as you, it may take me sometime to accumulate the money for the mods. so a catch can will be my first mod.

Lots of great responses so far that should help put you on the right track. As others have noted, a tune + plugs is going to net you the quickest power gains for the least amount of investment. Tacking on 100 wtq with a tune really wakes up the EB. Once complete, you may start to notice some heat-soak in regards to intake temperatures. The tiny factory intercooler is not really up to the task of repeated pulls at this power level. A nice bar-and-plate intercooler will keep those temperatures close to ambient and will adequately support the tune you have in place.

Once these two modifications are in place, you can begin to think about helping the EB breathe and sound a bit better. A downpipe upgrade will improve exhaust flow and will also change the exhaust note slightly, more turbo spool is always nice to hear. A cat-back exhaust section can also be added which, depending on brand and configuration, can add a ton of noise/volume. This particular modification selection will need to be weighed. A cat-back that is too loud can be extremely annoying for daily use. Be sure to check out sound clips of the different options to determine which will work best for you. An intake upgrade can improve airflow entering the engine, and is also a contributor to sound improvements when driving. With the factory airbox removed, the turbo suction is extremely audible.

This essentially covers the general bolt-on modifications for the EBM in terms of power output. Past this point, the investment amount grows and the slippery slope becomes even steeper. These basic modifications will certainly increase enjoyment and should support your power needs for general autocross and track day use.

With that in mind, a few other supporting modifications should be considered. A catch can was referenced in this thread a few times. I would also agree that this is an important addition. DI engines do require valve cleaning, a result of CCV system pushing oil through the intake and onto the valves. Without port injection to clean them, they can quickly become contaminated. Any component that will reduce oil buildup and extend the service/cleaning interval is a wise move. We saw a good deal of fluid accumulation during the testing of our catch can system, which is shown in the link below.

http://engineering.mishimoto.com/?cat=207

I literally just ordered my Mishimoto Catch Can.





Thank you everyone for your input!!!

 

[wmsky33]

Made up my mind with the upgrade path I'm going to take which is best for me:

1)Catch can
2)Intercooler
3)Tune + sparkplugs
4)Intake
5)Downpipe


At the moment, I'm going to hold off on these two.

6)Exhaust
7)Springs

Just make sure that you go with a tuner that will update your tune for free as you add the mods after the tune. I believe that most will, but I would check to make sure.

 

[TheNameAndy]

Just make sure that you go with a tuner that will update your tune for free as you add the mods after the tune. I believe that most will, but I would check to make sure.

let's say I go with Cobb v3 tune. how will I be able update my tune for my specific set up?

 

[04SloSnake]

let's say I go with Cobb v3 tune. how will I be able update my tune for my specific set up?

You buy your AP from MAP or FFTEC then get them to customize your tune.

 

[TheNameAndy]

You buy your AP from MAP or FFTEC then get them to customize your tune.

Not really familiar when it comes to tuning a car. Can someone explain the process to me.

-So I buy my Cobb v3 tuner.
-Flash my ECU.
-Buy and install new parts. *lets say from MAP*
-Then contact Adam from MAP. let him know my new bolt-ons and then he will send me a updated tune file with my specific set-up?
-Then you upload that file to the tuner through computer and reflash my ECU with the custom tune.

If so:

-Is there a fee for getting a custom tune for your specific car?
-anything else I should know about tuning?

 

[04SloSnake]

Not really familiar when it comes to tuning a car. Can someone explain the process to me.

-So I buy my Cobb v3 tuner.
-Flash my ECU.
-Buy and install new parts. *lets say from MAP*
-Then contact Adam from MAP. let him know my new bolt-ons and then he will send me a updated tune file with my specific set-up?
-Then you upload that file to the tuner through computer and reflash my ECU with the custom tune.

If so:

-Is there a fee for getting a custom tune for your specific car?
-anything else I should know about tuning?

Best thing you can do is buy the AP through either vendor. MAP has a custom tune already on the device when it is shipped to you, which is noticeably better than the COBB OTS tune. I believe (and he may correct me on this) he can send generic tunes for added mods but also offers custom e-tunes for an additional fee. I don't remember the price but he started a thread explaining his tuning options.

As fas as loading the tune, COBB's YouTube page has some tutorial videos I recommend watching. They have a lot of info regarding the device and how to use its features.

 

[marjen]

The process is pretty much exactly how you described. When you get an accessport from MAP you will email them a bunch of info about your car and they will send a stock tune. Not sure if they will send you a new tune file if you make mods later, pretty sure you would need their etune option.

See this thread for tuning options. Looks like if you have mods out of the gate, it would be included in your tune.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24583&highlight=map+tuning

 

[MAPerformance]

Not really familiar when it comes to tuning a car. Can someone explain the process to me.

-So I buy my Cobb v3 tuner.
-Flash my ECU.
-Buy and install new parts. *lets say from MAP*
-Then contact Adam from MAP. let him know my new bolt-ons and then he will send me a updated tune file with my specific set-up?
-Then you upload that file to the tuner through computer and reflash my ECU with the custom tune.

If so:

-Is there a fee for getting a custom tune for your specific car?
-anything else I should know about tuning?

Best thing you can do is buy the AP through either vendor. MAP has a custom tune already on the device when it is shipped to you, which is noticeably better than the COBB OTS tune. I believe (and he may correct me on this) he can send generic tunes for added mods but also offers custom e-tunes for an additional fee. I don't remember the price but he started a thread explaining his tuning options.

As fas as loading the tune, COBB's YouTube page has some tutorial videos I recommend watching. They have a lot of info regarding the device and how to use its features.

The process is pretty much exactly how you described. When you get an accessport from MAP you will email them a bunch of info about your car and they will send a stock tune. Not sure if they will send you a new tune file if you make mods later, pretty sure you would need their etune option.

See this thread for tuning options. Looks like if you have mods out of the gate, it would be included in your tune.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24583&highlight=map+tuning

Just like everyone mentioned above, you will communicate with me after you receive your accessport when purchased from us:

http://www.maperformance.com/2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-accessport-by-cobb-tuning-ap3-for-003.html

From there I will make a tune for your modifications, and have you send me a datalog (I'll provide instructions on how to do so) and I will make sure everything looks correct and is performing as needed.

If you have any question, please drop me a pm!

Thank you,
Adam

 

[wmsky33]

With the modifications to the PCV system I recommend on our downpipe page above. You can put off the Catch Can. Our own car doesn't even have a catch can on it yet and the PCV system is functioning properly and looks good.

Before we put the built engine in though we will be doing a custom catch can system, I will promise you that! haha.

Adam, I don't understand. The "PCV Delete" link you have on your downpipe page shows how to gut the PCV valve. That will actually increase the flow of oil vapors into the intake and load up the valves even faster than the stock PCV valve. It also means the PCV valve can't protect the crankcase from boost pressure. At a minimum you would have to add a check valve into the existing PCV line to protect from boost, and that still wouldn't protect the valves from oil vapors. It seems like you'd still need a catch can for that. What am I missing?

BTW, I appreciate the fact that you put those links on your downpipe page. It's nice to see that kind of info on a product page.

 

[MAPerformance]

Adam, I don't understand. The "PCV Delete" link you have on your downpipe page shows how to gut the PCV valve. That will actually increase the flow of oil vapors into the intake and load up the valves even faster than the stock PCV valve. It also means the PCV valve can't protect the crankcase from boost pressure. At a minimum you would have to add a check valve into the existing PCV line to protect from boost, and that still wouldn't protect the valves from oil vapors. It seems like you'd still need a catch can for that. What am I missing?

BTW, I appreciate the fact that you put those links on your downpipe page. It's nice to see that kind of info on a product page.

I think what you are missing is the note that it must be paired with a catch can. I made it more prominent on the product page now.

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