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Maybe someone can tune the dampers to make it more comfortable (or placebo) for THEM to go 2 seconds faster, but you're not going to make a pro like Randy go 2 seconds faster with magnitude tuning.
2 seconds I'll say is wishful thinking.
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I think you are reading into his post. I believe what he is saying is that the improvement tuning improvement to existing hardware will not net as much of an improvement as some may think. Honestly, the Mustang community has always been a modification one. This is a product provided out of demand and not necessity. This product will allow the end user to make adjustments to their liking just like modifying the car to make it more personal.
 

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Maybe someone can tune the dampers to make it more comfortable (or placebo) for THEM to go 2 seconds faster, but you're not going to make a pro like Randy go 2 seconds faster with magnitude tuning.
Im still not convinced we can say that, especially since the full tuning range of the dampers is not known. And if the tuning really helps keep the tires in contact with the pavement better, I would not call that a placebo. Someone with out of the box double/triple adjustable shocks could easily pick up 2-3 seconds once they are properly adjusted for their driving style and track.
 

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If I can lower my car a inch and keep the same performance or maybe even improve the ride quality in normal mode that would make the price worth it people spend more on exhaust and intakes that do nothing :-d
 
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Im still not convinced we can say that, especially since the full tuning range of the dampers is not known. And if the tuning really helps keep the tires in contact with the pavement better, I would not call that a placebo. Someone with out of the box double/triple adjustable shocks could easily pick up 2-3 seconds once they are properly adjusted for their driving style and track.
I bet ford didn't k ow what they're doing or could get the most out of the suspension. Coilovers are typically much lower and stiffer than stock and can be set up in a range not possible to be approve for a street car. Maintaining the stock spring and ride height, you're not going to tune a magnitude to be 2 seconds faster. Heck, the tires are bespoke to the GT350, from the tread to compound to the construction. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't leave 2 seconds on the table for the damper programing on top of the development of those tires.
 

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I bet ford didn't k ow what they're doing or could get the most out of the suspension. Coilovers are typically much lower and stiffer than stock and can be set up in a range not possible to be approve for a street car. Maintaining the stock spring and ride height, you're not going to tune a magnitude to be 2 seconds faster. Heck, the tires are bespoke to the GT350, from the tread to compound to the construction. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't leave 2 seconds on the table for the damper programing on top of the development of those tires.
Not saying ford Magnaride didn't know what they were doing, but the manufacturer never takes anything to the limits. You know that. Are you really thinking that the Magnaride can't be improved by programming? That's like saying the engine ecu can't be improved by programming. Everyone knows that's possible. Why wouldn't the Magnaride? I've already been told the remap and controller is better then the R.
But I agree, 2 seconds is stretching it.
 
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You would be surprised how much is still on the table. There is plenty of room for improvment! On the C7 Z06 it was night and day, and the Mustang is the same system.
 

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Who said the remap was better than the Rs programming? Where was this test done on an R and by who?
 

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Who said the remap was better than the Rs programming? Where was this test done on an R and by who?
Im not going to post the name or company that's told me this. But I assure you it's a very reputable suspension shop. They are still doing testing and it will be available very soon.
Hint: they are in California :D
 

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Hack,

I think you are reading into his post. I believe what he is saying is that the improvement tuning improvement to existing hardware will not net as much of an improvement as some may think. Honestly, the Mustang community has always been a modification one. This is a product provided out of demand and not necessity. This product will allow the end user to make adjustments to their liking just like modifying the car to make it more personal.
I wasn't sure what he was trying to say. That's why I phrased it as a question.

The measure "2 seconds" is hardly meaningful in itself. 2 seconds could be a very small percentage of the total lap time on a road course... or it could be a huge percentage. Depends on the road course. I think on many road courses by the seat of the pants a person is unlikely to notice a 2 second difference. I bet that many drivers have 2 second variations from lap to lap in the same car without any changes. I think 2 seconds is likely a small change in many courses, so it wouldn't surprise me for a suspension tuning modification to make that much difference.

I think half the people here are criticizing this potential modification with no evidence just because that's what they want the answer to be.

You would be surprised how much is still on the table. There is plenty of room for improvment! On the C7 Z06 it was night and day, and the Mustang is the same system.
Makes sense to me. Tuning the magneride would even allow you to swap stiffer springs into the car, which could potentially make a very significant difference.
 

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Makes sense to me. Tuning the magneride would even allow you to swap stiffer springs into the car, which could potentially make a very significant difference.
It can also account for swapping to R-comps and/or lighter wheels on a base GT350, which could also shave additional time
 
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Who said the remap was better than the Rs programming? Where was this test done on an R and by who?
Michael Levitas, Randy Pobst, many more. They have been working with the Delphi system for a couple years and its getting really, really good. Now with their new relationship with RideTech suspension the program has some really good traction and is becoming a reality to bring to market.
 

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Michael Levitas, Randy Pobst, many more. They have been working with the Delphi system for a couple years and its getting really, really good. Now with their new relationship with RideTech suspension the program has some really good traction and is becoming a reality to bring to market.
Levitas, Pobst and many more? Guess well have to take your word.
 

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Has anyone been able to do a dyno chart on a magnaride shock strut set up? I am really curious to see what it looks like. We dynoed a PP front strut and found that it had a 50 lb nose. Didn't have any rebound force until 1" per second.
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