FourStangs
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Yeah, might just be stupid people not reading the Description. There is another one one EBay that’s at $17k above MSRP with two days left to bid.
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Yeah, might just be stupid people not reading the Description. There is another one one EBay that’s at $17k above MSRP with two days left to bid.
Awesome!Yea, the reason I say is because there were a few bids like this for R's that were crazy like this. Both buyers didn't pay and when the item was relisted, it was up front and center and very clear that this was for the ADM. Who knows, but if I'm wrong, I'll figure out a way to send you that beer.
The DCT is a transmission with computer controlled clutches. That means the computer has control over how much torque is transferred.I’m not sure what your first sentence means. When engaged - as in - clutch engaged in gear, a dct will act like any torque transferring medium. It’s still a transmission.
I really wish ford included a eLSD with this car. That’s almost a necessity with this power. Anyway, you’re right it can break the tires loose at 100mph. But should it? That’s wasted.
Yes different sources show slightly different weights. I agree with your last statement and that was my point. I expect that the ZL1 and ZL1 1LE are going to be similar in weight to the GT500, just like all versions of the Camaro are pretty similar in weight to the Mustang.Per Motortrend, "The 10-speed clocks in at 3,926 pounds—14 pounds heftier than the 3,912-pound manual."
Reference: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...8-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-1le-first-test-review/
There's a weight thread on the C6 board, guy weighed in with 3/4 tank, in his manual ZLE, 3858, if the MT weight is a full tank, that's ~32lbs more, and I'm not sure if he was stock (the Camaro exhaust is heavy).
I think the thing that's sort of funny is the ZL1 is 3900+ lbs, but the GT500 with just 100-150lbs more is super heavy weight, hahaha, suddenly 150 lbs is like the difference between a Charger Hellcat and a Cayman GT4 ...
It lists a VIN number. Is that legit? How would a car that has yet to enter production have a VIN?
Oh yeah, that was totally meant to support your original assertion.Yes different sources show slightly different weights. I agree with your last statement and that was my point. I expect that the ZL1 and ZL1 1LE are going to be similar in weight to the GT500, just like all versions of the Camaro are pretty similar in weight to the Mustang.
No vins yet, completely fabricatedIt lists a VIN number. Is that legit? How would a car that has yet to enter production have a VIN?
I see what you’re saying, but it doesn’t actually do that.The DCT is a transmission with computer controlled clutches. That means the computer has control over how much torque is transferred.
Lol that dude is crazy, he said he lost money on the special edition mustangs. Did he mean GT500/GT350? Or a 50th anniversary/bullitt? Nobody gives a damn about the 50th/bullitt.who the hell buys cars and doesnt put $$ down? My meager ADM was the 1st Deposit(s) I made, spread out over 2 months. Thats not including tax and tags, always pay that upfront, at a minimum!
Ill decide how much more I put down when it arrives, after i see how many other things the Mrs decided to move higher on the priority list
Right!?Lol that dude is crazy, he said he lost money on the special edition mustangs. Did he mean GT500/GT350? Or a 50th anniversary/bullitt? Nobody gives a damn about the 50th/bullitt.
The top dog mustangs take a while to depreciate, while the regular GT depreciates much quicker. Can go to the for sale section and buy a used GT with a blower that is 10-20k cheaper than buying new and spending $$$ on mods.
The new gt4 gained over 300lbs. I couldnt believe it. Not sure what Porsche was thinking. Maybe it's a better street/gt car now.
I think the thing that's sort of funny is the ZL1 is 3900+ lbs, but the GT500 with just 100-150lbs more is super heavy weight, hahaha, suddenly 150 lbs is like the difference between a Charger Hellcat and a Cayman GT4 ...
The new GT4 walks all over the previous version even with the 300lbs.The new gt4 gained over 300lbs. I couldnt believe it. Not sure what Porsche was thinking. Maybe it's a better street/gt car now.
My brothers friend owned one and now has a gt4 CS. No way they're getting the new 718 gt4 with a big weight gain.
Without looking, is the new gt4 dct or a manual 6? If it's the latter, that explains the stomps.The new GT4 walks all over the previous version even with the 300lbs.
What a strange thing to be upset about when performance is night and day different.
Only reason to not get one is because we don’t want to wait two years or we can’t because they will all sell out.
I don’t have enough Porsche status and was told I’d be at least a from January. The 2020 718 GT4 is most likely perfect.
I think the ZL1 1LE is actually closer to 3900 lbs than 3800 lbs. And with an automatic the ZL1 1LE is about 3950.
I don't see there being a big weight difference between the cars. Especially if you compare auto vs. auto.
The main thing will be the spool valve dampers and the super high spring rates in the ZL1 1LE vs. (I assume) much more compliant and comfortable ride in the GT500. Will the electronics, aero, power etc. in the GT500 make up for the faux race car stiff ride of the ZL1 1LE?
Multimatic DSSV has specifically engineered spool valve dampers for Ford Performance in the GT, GT MKII and Mustang GT4.I think the ZL1 1LE is actually closer to 3900 lbs than 3800 lbs. And with an automatic the ZL1 1LE is about 3950.
I don't see there being a big weight difference between the cars. Especially if you compare auto vs. auto.
The main thing will be the spool valve dampers and the super high spring rates in the ZL1 1LE vs. (I assume) much more compliant and comfortable ride in the GT500. Will the electronics, aero, power etc. in the GT500 make up for the faux race car stiff ride of the ZL1 1LE?
Not to mention the cost for trhe ZL1 is only around $6000 (can't find source ATM) which is reasonable. If Chevy can stump for equipping the Camaro, what's Ford's malfunction? It's not like they don't have an existing relationship with Multimatic. If they have the nerve to charge 10 grand for some silly paint, they surely can stomach quoting customers a price for some proper suspension.A better question might be; If GT500 is serious about the circuit, why isn't DSSV at least an option?
I'll beg to differ. "track suspension" is frequently described as harsh, skippy over bumps, whack in the ass, etc. because the high-speed compression circuit is way too restricted. USA road courses are far, more bumpy than their overseas counterparts so there really is no excuse for the domestics not coming up with a valve stack that provides both chassis pitch control (slow comp) and sufficiently compliant bump absorption (fast comp). A good setup will allow you to feel a thump and still maintain chassis composure while a poorly done one will transmit a thwack and inject pitch moments.IMHO only a candy ass would complain about a performance engineered ride on a high performance car. If a comfortable ride is even a consideration in a true performance car, perhaps that cars capability has been compromised.