Weird, I do not feel like mine (2017) does anything serious intervention at all. I still can do wheelspin, or, like once happened (and that time I wished nannies helped) go fishtail.
The main issue I have with these cars is the delay when getting out of the throttle. It seems when my back end starts to step out and I let up on the throttle to control or reduce the slide there is a very noticeable delay in throttle closing. This makes it a little hard to feel confident in maintaining a controlled slide.
That's normal. Track mode doesn't disable the TC and ESC. It only turns them down one notch. They're a bit more relaxed, but still active. What you observed was the expected behaviour.
I've also not noticed any intervention when I turned the ESC off. I even span a couple of times when I failed to correct a slide. So to me it seems that it is indeed off.
This would would imply you had too much throttle applied. The real way to do controlled slides is to have the wheels spin pretty slowly. Source: I take a Mustang skiing on powder days.
V8s and the cars that use them have a lot of momentum and inertia, just because you take your foot off the gas doesn’t mean the crank immediately returns to idle speed. This is another portion of these cars that needs to be understood to be controlled. Practice somewhere safe and it becomes second nature
I have been driving V8 cars for over 40 years and had plenty of opportunity to play with tire spin and sliding around. The issue I am trying to describe is not momentum or inertia. This is an electronic throttle that does not release the throttle plate at the instant I release the throttle pedal. This delay is way different then a mechanical throttle or frankly other electronic throttle vehicles I have driven. Example: I turn off TC & ESC, leave on a green light making a left turn in an open intersection, try to accelerate hard enough to break tire loose for light slide, tires hold traction until the break loose point and then the coefficient of friction drops way below what it was just before tires broke loose. This is the point where you need to be able to feather the throttle to maintain proper and controlled tire slip. My complaint is at this moment when I reduce throttle pedal position there is a noticeable delay in the computer closing the throttle plate. Not a good feeling! I'm sure it can be learned over time and I'm guessing this is related to the manufacturer trying to better control emissions.
Have you tried a pedal commander? If your issue really is exactly what you’re saying then that should (in theory) resolve the issue…?
It's indeed an emissions thing, and also to protect the cats. It gives any residual fuel that might still be in the manifold/cylinders a chance to burn off, instead of being spat down the exhaust. All modern engines do this. I believe it can be tuned out, at least to some extent, though probably not completely. You wouldn't want it turned off completely anyway, because it would be bad for the cats.
I’ve never used one myself so I’m not sure, but there’s a few people on here that preach about how amazing they are
With this being the general consensus, do you know if the pedal commander can get rid of this?
I've no direct experience with the Pedal Commander, or with any other throttle enhancer for that matter, but I don't think it can. All these devices do is fool the ECU into thinking that you've pushed the pedal harder. For instance, when you press the accelerator to 20% of its total travel, it will tell the ECU that you've pressed it 30%. But it can't change how fast the ECU responds to this input. Besides, it can only alter your input as long as there is an input at all. When you lift off and the pedal is at 0%, there's nothing it can do but report 0% to the ECU. What the ECU does with this information is a different story.
Yeah, after watching your video maybe I should have titled this thread “Do Mustangs get loose easier and more often than similar cars and if so, why?” That was kinda my point anyway.