Shocks on Magnaride GT

[rabid_josh]

Whos put a different shock on their magnaride mustangs so far? Got a 401A PP1 GT w/magnride and looking at some Vikings for the rear. I was warned it may throw a light or not act right. Viking suggested a company called xineering but it appears they don't work with S550 stuff, and only really list stuff for Generic Motors w/magnaride.

car already has lockouts and vertical links

any input is greatly appreciated!

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[shogun32]

there are MR defeat modules you can plug in. The better question is WHY you want/need to replace the MR? They aren't cheap but why not buy a MR tuner?

 

[rabid_josh]

gonna answer my own thread. Decided to call the people at xineering.com and they DO offer a kit both in half and full kits to fix the magnaride issue. SO, if you need to run a different shock on a magnaride car, they are you hookup for the right pieces. There is also a procedure that needs to be done before installing the sensor itself for ride height that is important.

 

[rabid_josh]

there are MR defeat modules you can plug in. The better question is WHY you want/need to replace the MR? They aren't cheap but why not buy a MR tuner?

I fully believe the vikings are a better option for no prep/marginal prep than the tuner. its also potentially less cost. the shocks are 400 and the half kit is 250.00

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I don’t understand paying for mag ride. Then basically removing parts. Did you catch the racing bug after the purchase?

 

[NoVaGT]

I fully believe the vikings are a better option for no prep/marginal prep than the tuner. its also potentially less cost. the shocks are 400 and the half kit is 250.00

Regardless, none of this makes any sense.

I'm guessing that by prep-marginal prep you mean something about drag racing.

MR has a drag mode that transfers more weight to the rear of the car. I'd imagine that would be better for getting off the line than some AM rear shocks.

What you really need, rather than AM rear shocks, is a Steeda Stop-The-Hop kit and aluminum vertical links.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Regardless, none of this makes any sense.

I'm guessing that by prep-marginal prep you mean something about drag racing.

MR has a drag mode that transfers more weight to the rear of the car. I'd imagine that would be better for getting off the line than some AM rear shocks.

What you really need, rather than AM rear shocks, is a Steeda Stop-The-Hop kit and aluminum vertical links.

Mag ride isn’t better for drag racing. You still can’t beat a good drag shock for that intended purchase.

 

[rabid_josh]

Regardless, none of this makes any sense.

I'm guessing that by prep-marginal prep you mean something about drag racing.

MR has a drag mode that transfers more weight to the rear of the car. I'd imagine that would be better for getting off the line than some AM rear shocks.

What you really need, rather than AM rear shocks, is a Steeda Stop-The-Hop kit and aluminum vertical links.

Already have those suspension parts.

this is all in reference to drag racing and drag racing on less than ideal prepped surfaces.

the reason my car came with magnaride is because it’s a fully optioned car, literally every thing possible. It works for nearly stock cars, but once HP is increased, factory parts aren’t as ideal to use.

 

[NoVaGT]

Mag ride isn’t better for drag racing. You still can’t beat a good drag shock for that intended purchase.

Purpose?

I'm not into drag racing, but I'd put my money on the MR in drag mode with the mentioned Steeda stuff, versus the AF shocks the OP is considering.

The MR softens the rears and lets the car shift the weight to the back at launch, I'm thinking that's a real benefit.

 

[rabid_josh]

Purpose?

I'm not into drag racing, but I'd put my money on the MR in drag mode with the mentioned Steeda stuff, versus the AF shocks the OP is considering.

The MR softens the rears and lets the car shift the weight to the back at launch, I'm thinking that's a real benefit.

once again. it has those parts on it. Been there, done that. It does not do what you think it does. used drag mode, made 30 plus passes in this car IN drag mode. This is the next option.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Purpose?

I'm not into drag racing, but I'd put my money on the MR in drag mode with the mentioned Steeda stuff, versus the AF shocks the OP is considering.

The MR softens the rears and lets the car shift the weight to the back at launch, I'm thinking that's a real benefit.

You’d just lose your money. I’ve had an Nhra license for the last 20 years and have been building and drag racing since 1984. MR is a-stock part. It still is limited in how much weight transfer it’ll allow compared to a purpose build part. I do agree that the wheel hop components you’re recommending work well. MR is a good idea for people that don’t want to go down the full drag race suspension road. You’re not stuck with a car that isn’t limited. MR is a jack of all trades. But a master of none. But one thing I’m sure of MR is expensive. And I wouldn’t change out those parts after I already paid for it.

 

[rabid_josh]

You’d just lose your money. I’ve had an Nhra license for the last 20 years and have been building and drag racing since 1984. MR is a-stock part. It still is limited in how much weight transfer it’ll allow compared to a purpose build part. I do agree that the wheel hop components you’re recommending work well. MR is a good idea for people that don’t want to go down the full drag race suspension. You’re not stuck with a car that isn’t limited. MR is a jack of all trades. But a master of none. But one thing I’m sure of MR is expensive. And I wouldn’t change out those parts after I already paid for it.

youre correct, since Ive already tried those suspension parts. This is the next step. My goal is all straight line based.

My mustang was purchased mid covid, so i took what i could get.

 

[NoVaGT]

You’d just lose your money. I’ve had an Nhra license for the last 20 years and have been building and drag racing since 1984. MR is a-stock part. It still is limited in how much weight transfer it’ll allow compared to a purpose build part. I do agree that the wheel hop components you’re recommending work well. MR is a good idea for people that don’t want to go down the full drag race suspension road. You’re not stuck with a car that isn’t limited. MR is a jack of all trades. But a master of none. But one thing I’m sure of MR is expensive. And I wouldn’t change out those parts after I already paid for it.

The OP has MR, and says the MR isn't that impactive.

Dunno.....

 

[rabid_josh]

The OP has MR, and says the MR isn't that impactive.

Dunno.....

When you're starting to push a MR car beyond its original intentions, this is what you run into. They didnt intend for magnaride to run low 11s let alone potentially creep into the 10s NA

 

[Norm Peterson]

I'm not into drag racing, but I'd put my money on the MR in drag mode with the mentioned Steeda stuff, versus the AF shocks the OP is considering.

The MR softens the rears and lets the car shift the weight to the back at launch, I'm thinking that's a real benefit.

I'm not into drag racing either, but softening the rear makes for more squat and less load transfer beck to the rear tires. It also takes a little longer for more squat to happen than it does for less squat, so you have to look at this on a time scale basis. Where at a tens of millisecond time step level you'd be hitting the tires more softly. Maybe that's OK for the production street tires on normal pavement, but it's leaving something on the table for more serious drag racing where you're trying to knock another tenth off of your 60-ftoot time.

I think you'd soften the rear shocks if you were hitting the tires too hard (shocking them) and wanted to spread the 'hit' out over a slightly longer span of time.

Squat does not cause rearward load transfer. All it shows is that load transfer is happening against a rear suspension that is neither physically rigid (steel rods instead of shocks or springs) nor geometrically fully resistant to squat (100% anti-squat geometry).

This is going to sound picky, but stop thinking in terms of "weight transfer". When people do their thinking in "weight transfer" terms it's really easy to confuse effect (squat) confused with cause (which is actually the load transfer due to acceleration). The only "weight transfer" that could be happening is due to fluid slosh (gas, oil, tranny and axle lube, etc.) and loose cargo sliding rearward.


Norm

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