Replaced Voodoo Engine

[Caballus]

Your missing the point! All manufacturers have failures. And some to larger scale than others. Doomed!

No, I fully get that point. Mine is that the Toyota + Subaru comparison is a case of apples and tennis balls. The cars have bad valve springs and are getting recalled to get fixed. With Ford, there has been no admission of a problem at all. Further, even if there is no vehicle-wide problem (and maybe there isn't), it would still be nice to have feedback on what is causing the notable number of failures that have occured. So, yeah, I agree, all manufactures have failures. However, what the article also shows is an honorable way to approach failures--ok, ignore the somewhat dishonrable part about Subaru lying in the past .

 

[kommons]

Maybe the oil is pinned to one side of the pan or the other in curves and the engine sucks air every now and then.

This was my speculation on the potential starvation issue although I agree that with 10 quarts, it shouldn't happen. I didn't pay attention to the oil pickup configuration. There could also be a possibility of the pump pushing pressure but not enough volume at critical RPMs.

Possible...maybe...but dang, with 10 quarts sloshing around, it doesn’t seem likely.

Agreed

Holy crap! How did you get the photos of the bearing and crank? Ford does not allow to crack open the motor if you want a warranty replacement. Damn!

The dealer told me they are asked to remove these parts and take pictures for every engine failure. They are not allowed to remove the heads though. So we are unable to see what's the issue on the valve/seat.
However, for my pictures; I snuck in after work because they told me I could take pictures of the progress anytime.

 

[Zitrosounds]

No, I fully get that point. Mine is that the Toyota + Subaru comparison is a case of apples and tennis balls. The cars have bad valve springs and are getting recalled to get fixed. With Ford, there has been no admission of a problem at all. Further, even if there is no vehicle-wide problem (and maybe there isn't), it would still be nice to have feedback on what is causing the notable number of failures that have occured. So, yeah, I agree, all manufactures have failures. However, what the article also shows is an honorable way to approach failures--ok, ignore the somewhat dishonrable part about Subaru lying in the past .

I mentioned in an earlier point how Porsche dealt with customer concerns for the 991.1 GT3 engines. Although Porsche finally gave a failure description but also said it wasn't of real concern. However!!! To quell owners concern they offered an extended engine warranty of 124k miles. So i get that people are not happy that engines have failed. I too suffered engine failure with my fisrt 350, I get it. But Ford is replacing these engines with very little fuss. So they are providing support. Ford may never say what is causing the failures assuming they are all the same. Be happy that the engines are being replaced.

 

[Zitrosounds]

This was my speculation on the potential starvation issue although I agree that with 10 quarts, it shouldn't happen. I didn't pay attention to the oil pickup configuration. There could also be a possibility of the pump pushing pressure but not enough volume at critical RPMs.



Agreed



The dealer told me they are asked to remove these parts and take pictures for every engine failure. They are not allowed to remove the heads though. So we are unable to see what's the issue on the valve/seat.
However, for my pictures; I snuck in after work because they told me I could take pictures of the progress anytime.

Na man!!! You have to be the first bottom end that has been opened up by a dealer. Many to include my self, were told by Ford, only valve and timing cover removals are authorized.

 

[Caballus]

I mentioned in an earlier point how Porsche dealt with customer concerns for the 991.1 GT3 engines. Although Porsche finally gave a failure description but also said it wasn't of real concern. However!!! To quell owners concern they offered an extended engine warranty of 124k miles. So i get that people are not happy that engines have failed. I too suffered engine failure with my fisrt 350, I get it. But Ford is replacing these engines with very little fuss. So they are providing support. Ford may never say what is causing the failures assuming they are all the same. Be happy that the engines are being replaced.

Not unhappy, especially since mine hasn't failed (fingers crossed). Also, happy that engines are being replaced with little to no hassle (in most reported cases). However, proactively recalling and fixing before failure is much different than waiting until failure to fix the problem. Would be nice if the cause(s) were publicly identified and fixed before failure--similar to our oil lines. Perhaps it will eventually happen; who knows.

 

[S550VIN54]

Another blown engine...

https://www.imboc.com/forums/94-nadda-bullitt/371753-my-sons-gt350-engine-blew.html

 

[kommons]

Another blown engine...

https://www.imboc.com/forums/94-nadda-bullitt/371753-my-sons-gt350-engine-blew.html

Curious they say "back ordered" in this post. My engine was flown in 2-day air from Memphis. No indication of back order. I think they want so badly to not buy this pos back from me they spent 4k in shipping.

 

[jvandy50]

Curious they say "back ordered" in this post. My engine was flown in 2-day air from Memphis. No indication of back order. I think they want so badly to not buy this pos back from me they spent 4k in shipping.

It does seem some get priority over others.

At first i thought the actual “blown” motors with inoperable vehicles got the first available. But if that guy’s is backordered then that ain’t the case. I figured the oil consumption group got to wait since their cars still ran.

Now I wonder if the R gets put first in line, as a few of you guys got yours VERY quickly.

 

[Carsnkicks]

Oh hai blown motor thread!
Just got word today my motor is likely going to be replaced. 2017 non R (unsure of build date). 10k miles. 0 track days, car is a DD for the most part. Car was purchased March of this year AC failure happened around July of this year. Sunday CEL came on, code was p0022. Had a rattle on cold startup which then went away. Oil pressure/temps were fine. Did not check oil level at that time (I was tired, and I check my levels pretty consistently, thought maybe a stuck solenoid?)

Took to dealer that same evening (CEL went back off). Got a call Tuesday afternoon and was told oil was nearly 5 quarts low. What!?!?. They told me ford wanted them to run diagnostics another day or so. Next day dealer “lost” 2 quarts of oil after driving it. Was told some oil in intake, havent had the chance to talk to the actual tech yet just service manager (has been a busy work week).

Dealer is a “engine for life” dealer, and of course car is under warranty, still pretty PO’d. Im older now, bought this car because I loved how it drives/sounds and just dont have the time to break cars these days. Wanted something fun yet something I wouldnt mod etc. This was my Navy retirement car, and planned on keeping it forever.

Also has been rear ended 2x. Once within 2 weeks of owning. Still love the car, but between the repairs I feel its been in the shop more than my driveway lol. Not a knock on Ford (yet), I have always had Japanese/German sport cars but really loved the idea of an American car that easily handles like a foreign car and sounds even better.

Just leery about any future issues now, although I suppose if I had gone with anything other than a boring sedan I would have some issues. Right? Cross shopped w Cayman, M4, and even challenger hellcat (wife actually found me one after I joked I wanted one and that motor blew in the dealers hands on testdrive lol, FCA was giving problems w replacement so thankfully dealer just refunded her down payment after a month or 2 of going back and forth).

Had some issues w BMW in past and still somewhat “need” 4 seats so ruled out a Cayman. Sorry for the rant Im just now reading about several stories of blown motors with these cars. I tend to over research my purchases and just did not forsee needing a new motor already, although the car is still “new” and I own that risk it still is extremely frustrating!!!

 

[Tomster]

Oh hai blown motor thread!
Just got word today my motor is likely going to be replaced. 2017 non R (unsure of build date). 10k miles. 0 track days, car is a DD for the most part. Car was purchased March of this year AC failure happened around July of this year. Sunday CEL came on, code was p0022. Had a rattle on cold startup which then went away. Oil pressure/temps were fine. Did not check oil level at that time (I was tired, and I check my levels pretty consistently, thought maybe a stuck solenoid?)

Took to dealer that same evening (CEL went back off). Got a call Tuesday afternoon and was told oil was nearly 5 quarts low. What!?!?. They told me ford wanted them to run diagnostics another day or so. Next day dealer “lost” 2 quarts of oil after driving it. Was told some oil in intake, havent had the chance to talk to the actual tech yet just service manager (has been a busy work week).

Dealer is a “engine for life” dealer, and of course car is under warranty, still pretty PO’d. Im older now, bought this car because I loved how it drives/sounds and just dont have the time to break cars these days. Wanted something fun yet something I wouldnt mod etc. This was my Navy retirement car, and planned on keeping it forever.

Also has been rear ended 2x. Once within 2 weeks of owning. Still love the car, but between the repairs I feel its been in the shop more than my driveway lol. Not a knock on Ford (yet), I have always had Japanese/German sport cars but really loved the idea of an American car that easily handles like a foreign car and sounds even better.

Just leery about any future issues now, although I suppose if I had gone with anything other than a boring sedan I would have some issues. Right? Cross shopped w Cayman, M4, and even challenger hellcat (wife actually found me one after I joked I wanted one and that motor blew in the dealers hands on testdrive lol, FCA was giving problems w replacement so thankfully dealer just refunded her down payment after a month or 2 of going back and forth).

Had some issues w BMW in past and still somewhat “need” 4 seats so ruled out a Cayman. Sorry for the rant Im just now reading about several stories of blown motors with these cars. I tend to over research my purchases and just did not forsee needing a new motor already, although the car is still “new” and I own that risk it still is extremely frustrating!!!

5 qts low, eh? I suppose that happened overnight? I guess if your engine was a consumer, the effect would have been the same. Sorry to hear.

 

[Carsnkicks]

5 qts low, eh? I suppose that happened overnight? I guess if your engine was a consumer, the effect would have been the same. Sorry to hear.

Right, 5qts is what the tech said, so I take it w a grain. I did not pull the dipstick that night... I suppose it is possible after it “lost” 2 more qts during the next day of analysis at the dealer to lose that much with no indication in 2 weeks? First for me but ok i guess. All of my V8 cars “consume” a fair amount of oil, as did a few of my past 4/6 cyl cars, so I am in the habit of checking levels. It had been about 2 weeks since I checked the Shelby levels and they were fine. Hindsight wish I had checked that night just for my sanity sake, because 5qts w/in 2 weeks just doesn’t seem possible with no visible leaks, no smoke, no indicators of an issue until the CEL (code was P0022 cam over retarded) and rattle. Odd.

 

[Tomster]

Right, 5qts is what the tech said, so I take it w a grain. I did not pull the dipstick that night... I suppose it is possible after it “lost” 2 more qts during the next day of analysis at the dealer to lose that much with no indication in 2 weeks? First for me but ok i guess. All of my V8 cars “consume” a fair amount of oil, as did a few of my past 4/6 cyl cars, so I am in the habit of checking levels. It had been about 2 weeks since I checked the Shelby levels and they were fine. Hindsight wish I had checked that night just for my sanity sake, because 5qts w/in 2 weeks just doesn’t seem possible with no visible leaks, no smoke, no indicators of an issue until the CEL (code was P0022 cam over retarded) and rattle. Odd.

The catalytic converters take care of the smoke. These oil consuming engines give no indication of what is going on except the missing oil on the dipstick each time you check it. How often did you check the oil on your dipstick?

 

[Carsnkicks]

The catalytic converters take care of the smoke. These oil consuming engines give no indication of what is going on except the missing oil on the dipstick each time you check it. How often did you check the oil on your dipstick?

Sometimes wvery week.I had recently had an oil change, hadnt had to add a single qt!

 

[Carsnkicks]

So has anyone been able to get theor cats replaced as well? Or is that amount of oil in a short time in the cats not a big concern? Truly love the car, and these things happen. I just want to make sure I avoid any future problems. If checking the oil frequently didnt catch this, it must have happened THAT day. I really hate to think Id have to check it daiky (although when I do get the car back, I probably will )

 

[AdamIsAdam]

So you supposedly lost 5 qts of oil in 2 weeks? And then dealer lost 2 qts in a day? Clearly, that oil is pouring out or burning out. And with a CEL code related to cam timing following a noise, plus "some oil in intake" doesn't that all indicate that something broke in the valve train and the oil that's fed to that area was being sent right into the combustion chamber?

I've always been thinking people are not checking oil often enough and part of SOME of these failures is operator related (at least for not catching things earlier) but in this case, if I'm understanding things correctly, it certainly does look like something simply broke. Now, should he have not restarted it? Maybe, but hindsight is what it is regarding that.

But clearly, something broke. And it's sucking oil. And you're getting a new engine.