Realistic R alternative - modded E92 M3

[PP0001]

So how do you compare your modded m3 to the gt350?

- Roadholding
- Brakes
- Steering (hydraulic vs electric)
- sound
- Power delivery (throttle response)

Your opinion matters a great deal so if you can be specific, that'd be great

This whole thread is hilarious.

You are obviously a staunch BMW enthusiast trying to justify a use/modded M3 to a bunch of enthusiasts of the GT350/GT350R and what a waste of time.

As a present owner of a Munich based automobile and expressing your positive opinions about a Bavarian Motor Works automobile on a Shelby forum is certainly interesting to say the least.

There has been so much written and posted about both the M3/M4 and the GT350/GT350R that I don't think that you need any additional feedback from any of this forum.

I have owned both and driven both and there is no comparison but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Since you are an avid BMW enthusiast and know this brand pretty well I suggest that you go and test drive a GT350/GT350R and decide whether the extra money spent on a new Shelby is worth the extra money otherwise just move on.

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[stanglife]

I just realized that you're the same guy who, in one thread, said he'd go +$7500 for an R, if you could find one. When you didn't find one, you started another thread/rant about ADMs and how you would never pay one...and others shouldn't either. Now you have this thread comparing a $80-$90k ADM'd R to an M3? You're all over the place man. Personally, I'd say go build your M3 because I don't think you're serious at all about buying anything else.

PS - Personally, I really like the E92 - I had an RS4, which the E92 was basically created to beat - and it did.

 

[MCarsFan]

This whole thread is hilarious.

You are obviously a staunch BMW enthusiast trying to justify a use/modded M3 to a bunch of enthusiasts of the GT350/GT350R and what a waste of time.

As a present owner of a Munich based automobile and expressing your positive opinions about a Bavarian Motor Works automobile on a Shelby forum is certainly interesting to say the least.

There has been so much written and posted about both the M3/M4 and the GT350/GT350R that I don't think that you need any additional feedback from any of this forum.

I have owned both and driven both and there is no comparison but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Since you are an avid BMW enthusiast and know this brand pretty well I suggest that you go and test drive a GT350/GT350R and decide whether the extra money spent on a new Shelby is worth the extra money otherwise just move on.

M3/M4? You didnt even bother to read the thread and dont even understand what I am asking. You saw BMW here and there, saw I own an M5 and immediately concluded this to be a BMW vs Ford thread.

E92 M3 is the 2007 model of the M3, it is not the "M3/M4" turbo charged M3. I havent seen any threads where what I was asking about was discussed.

Previous posts have been very valuable including the ones that brought up E30 and E36, so I appreciate all that. I dont appreciate your post however, it was uncalled for.

 

[mdmoore23]

Screw the R and look for a much more reasonable 2017 non R. I really would like to see a comparison between a track pack and R, to see what all the hype actually nets on the track.

 

[Bossing]

Screw the R and look for a much more reasonable 2017 non R. I really would like to see a comparison between a track pack and R, to see what all the hype actually nets on the track.

That would be cool to see... same driver, same day, same track. Then put Cup2's on the non-R and watch that gap narrow. ;)

 

[icormba]

Tittle reads: "Realistic R alternative - modded E92 M3"

Even better and more realistic R alternative would be a GT350. The only difference between the 2 are Carbon fiber wheels/tires, rear wing, some tuning, and rear seat removal.

A modded E92 M3 is nice "end of an era of V8 BMWs".

I say go for both!! GT350 and a E92 M3. Then mod either the M3 or GT350 when money and time permits.

Guys, here, who are modding their GT350R's are putting in roll-cages... that's pretty hardcore.

 

[Rated R]

There was another Mustang that beat the E92. And it's for sale. Just sayin'

 

[MCarsFan]

That would be cool to see... same driver, same day, same track. Then put Cup2's on the non-R and watch that gap narrow. ;)

The difference between R and non-R is quite significant no? 3mph trap speed, 3 seconds in chuckwalla, braking, road holding (0.98 vs 1.10g)? Comparisons are all on the internet, people say they drive like completely different cars. Believe me I dont want R because its rare and unique, I actually think its how gt350 should have been.

 

[PP0001]

Screw the R and look for a much more reasonable 2017 non R. I really would like to see a comparison between a track pack and R, to see what all the hype actually nets on the track.

I have driven both on the track and there is a significant difference between the two.

:cheers:

 

[raiderjatt02]

The difference between R and non-R is quite significant no? 3mph trap speed, 3 seconds in chuckwalla, braking, road holding (0.98 vs 1.10g)? Comparisons are all on the internet, people say they drive like completely different cars. Believe me I dont want R because its rare and unique, I actually think its how gt350 should have been.

Yeah, but everyone is saying that the main reason is the much lighter wheels and much stickier rubber. I want to see what the difference would be if you slap on the N4S R Spec wheels wrapped in PSC2 tires, then run both against each other and see how much closer those numbers are.

 

[nastang87xx]

First of all, calm down and chill out

I said 6MT and CF roof. DCT and sunroof combined add significant weight. Also I got my figures from m3post where people posted actual numbers from a real scale they used. Here:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442503
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642270

There is a lot more, just google "e92 m3 6mt weight".

I did E92 M3 Curb Weight. I found a lot more results too anywhere from 3800 down to 3400's. I'm inclined to just believe somewhere in the 3600 range give or take depending on options.

And about splitting hairs and giving too much of the benefit of the doubt, for what it's worth, my weight rating door sticker with GVWR and capacities puts my Track Pack 350 at 3732lbs wet curb. I HIGHLY doubt this.

 

[MCarsFan]

Yeah, but everyone is saying that the main reason is the much lighter wheels and much stickier rubber. I want to see what the difference would be if you slap on the N4S R Spec wheels wrapped in PSC2 tires, then run both against each other and see how much closer those numbers are.

Money money money...

- MPSC2 : 2-2.5k
- Forged : 3-4k (going with cheap)
- Spoiler/chin : 1k
- Remove seat : 0.5k

7-8k? And you still dont have the software tune. Some of the reviews I watched not only commented on the suspension but also throttle response as well.

 

[krt22]

Money money money...

- MPSC2 : 2-2.5k
- Forged : 3-4k (going with cheap)
- Spoiler/chin : 1k
- Remove seat : 0.5k

7-8k? And you still dont have the software tune. Some of the reviews I watched not only commented on the suspension but also throttle response as well.

The engines are the same sans the resonators which can be removed for $100. "Reviews" are always subjective so take those with a grain of salt, until someone has both on the track we won't really know the true gap between the cars, but I suspect its much less than most think if both had a similar set of shoes on.

You can go with NT01s or something along those lines for cheaper and get very similar grip. Going from summer tires like the PSS to R-compound level of grip can be 2-3 seconds a lap depending on track. Also expect higher lateral Gs, shorter braking distances, and better acceleration.

Unless you have hundreds of hours of seat time, most will not be able to take advantage of the remaining tidbits the R has to offer. A professional in a bone stock track pack car will be lapping an intermediate driver in an R all day long.

 

[PP0001]

That would be cool to see... same driver, same day, same track. Then put Cup2's on the non-R and watch that gap narrow. ;)

Al, if anyone could make that happen that would be you especially with your 2015 Track Pack car with Cup 2 tires against a base 920A R model.

I certainly agree that the Cup 2 tires would narrow the gap but suggest that the R model just has too many differences compared to the Track Pack cars even with providing the Track Pack car with better tires.

With the R model having lighter and wider wheels front and back along with a 25% stiffer spring rate than the Track Pack cars it would be difficult for the Track Pack car to stay close especially on a course with a lot of tight turns.

Aside from the lighter/wider wheels the R model (base 920A) saves weight in other areas as well deleting such items as resonators, tire inflation kit, floor mats, no back seat, A/C, radio, sync, rear camera, trunk carpet and carpet underlay which all add up over the course of a long run.

Having said that it would be very interesting to see the actual results and hope that you or one of you other racing buddies could pull that off for all of us GT350/GT350R enthusiasts!

PS: I hope that you are enjoying your new GT4 and that you are able to get some seat time in it?

:cheers:

 

[krt22]

I certainly agree that the Cup 2 tires would narrow the gap but suggest that the R model just has too many differences compared to the Track Pack cars even with providing the Track Pack car with better tires.

Lets say theoretically the tires are worth 2.5 seconds and the "rest" .5 seconds. Heck even if the tires are 2 seconds and the rest 1 second (these are big deltas at the track). Is it worth spending a 20-30k delta on the R for that 1 second? Especially when you are likely 5-10 seconds off the pace of professionals, I have to ask does it really matter? Will you have any less fun?

I can understand the value of the R at sticker, and the allure if you are really interested in it's rarity and exclusivity. But if you are really just trying to have a fun/fast track toy the track pack car is the best bang for the buck given the current market price for the Rs. I would only entertain an R for this purpose if you can find one at MSRP (which we all know is a unicorn)

But another tangent is if you really are just out for a fast track toy, a purpose built track car is going to be far cheaper (E36, E46, Miata, FRS, take your pick. If there is a spec racing class for it, its a good bet). The draw of the GT350 is it is civil and tame on the street, you can drive it to dinner saturday night without a 2nd thought. Purpose built track cars not so much

OP, I think the answer lies in what you want to do with the car. Do you want to build a nice track car, do you just want a purpose built track car, or do you want a street car that you can still go balls fast at the track with?

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