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You get more throttle with less pedal travel - that's it - price for it is less modulation but whatever is important for you. But clearly some here have been brainwashed or have incentive is selling this...
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You get more throttle with less pedal travel - that's it - price for it is less modulation but whatever is important for you. But clearly some here have been brainwashed or have incentive is selling this...
Another person with Premium and Sport+.

Have you tried it? Seems to me that you are the one being a sheep.

There is absolutely no incentive in it for me just as their should be no motivation for you to constantly detract from it. The individuals using the product all seem to give positive responses so why is it so important to the people NOT using the product? Is there a motive for them? No, so there's not a motive for those saying it works for them..
 

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WHAT? All you had to do was hit the gas harder before, and it would have done the same thing. You guys like wasting your money!!!!:frusty:
I can't take this anymore! I am going to go buy a C.A.I now because, most of the guys that say the Pedal Commander doesn't work say a C.A.I is definitely worth the $400.:frusty:
For what it's worth my $300 intake definitely improved throttle response with no changes to my tune other than MAF transfer updated for 120mm MAF vs stock 85mm but I digress.
For someone who doesn't want a tune and doesn't have a PP/Premium with the different pedal maps (drive modes) a more aggressive pedal map (which is what these devices give) will help drivability by making the car open the throttle more at a given pedal which also makes it open a bit faster as well. I've tuned my car to do what these devices do and there is definitely a difference in driving feel and part throttle acceleration but if you get too aggressive with it you do lose too much pedal resolution. In other words, 50% pedal can be 100% actual throttle rendering the remaining 50% pedal travel useless. Stock regular drive mode is 1:1 as long as TCS and ESC are not kicking in. 10% pedal commands 10% plate, 20% gives 20% and so on. I've since put my pedal tables back to stock because I actually prefer how smooth it drives as it is now that it's more modified. Throttle was almost too touchy with even lightly modded pedal tables once I added my Pmas intake. Regular mode now feels like sport/track mode and sport/track feels about 10% more responsive vs stock. In sport mode it breaks tires loose soft launching at 2000 on about 20% pedal which is about 26% actual throttle plate. I can only imagine if I had 3.73s instead of 3.31s traction would be worse.
 

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WHAT? All you had to do was hit the gas harder before, and it would have done the same thing. You guys like wasting your money!!!!:frusty:
I can't take this anymore! I am going to go buy a C.A.I now because, most of the guys that say the Pedal Commander doesn't work say a C.A.I is definitely worth the $400.:frusty:
You know what the funny thing is? All the people who are now telling you to get a cai because it is worth it, well a few months ago, many of those same individuals were arguing tooth and nails that aftermarket intakes did absolutely nothing. I remember getting into heated arguments with them. They said it made no changes in hp/tq, it did nothing, it was all placebo, the stock intake is better, etc. Now guess what...they all changed their tune. The same people who called me an idiot on here and called me names and made fun of me and others, just like you're doing, all now have intakes. All it took was one person to do an independent dyno that proved what I and others have said all along...even tho there were multiple other independent dynos that had already proven it. So you go ahead and listen to what these guys on here tell you. If it wasn't for that dyno, they'd all be telling you that intakes are a waste of money too instead of telling you to get one. But go ahead, keep on following them. See where it gets you.
 

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NOPE!! 4V, I'm on your side. I was fn with the others who keep saying push gas harder. I am the one who has defended my Pedal Commander. Guess this argument has been going so long you forget who is on what side. Guess my comment came out wrong on the keyboard. Not like what was in my head:headbonk:
+1 for the PEDAL COMMANDER:first:
All the rest who say it doesn't work, Please leave, save your money and go press your gas pedal harder! :hail:
 

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NOPE!! 4V, I'm on your side. I was fn with the others who keep saying push gas harder. I am the one who has defended my Pedal Commander. Guess this argument has been going so long you forget who is on what side. Guess my comment came out wrong on the keyboard. Not like what was in my head:headbonk:
+1 for the PEDAL COMMANDER:first:
All the rest who say it doesn't work, Please leave, save your money and go press your gas pedal harder! :hail:
Lol, this is the second time thats happened to me...sheesh! Yea this argument has indeed been going on too long.
 

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Throttle response is not only a demand from the pedal but also from the throttle body on the intake duct system. Cars generally have better response at a leaner AF ratio at idle. So while I see the point in using a magical box that multiplies pedal travel and has a placebo affect on your psyche, it's really just a trick. If you're familiar with throttle position sensors at all, there is a ground, 5v reference, and signal wire. The car will not idle correctly if out of it's normal parameters (usually .98v). Unless the pedal max, pedal commander, or whatever is actually doing anything mechanically to the motor to make it slightly leaner at idle, it's just an electronic multiplier.

I'm sure what I've said has been said before. But I can't see it as anything but a magic trick. If a person doesn't want a tune but desires an overly sensitive gas pedal they should buy it. But really the car should be properly tuned to take care of any throttle response issues in conjunction with all of the other added tune benefits.
 

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I'm sure what I've said has been said before. But I can't see it as anything but a magic trick. If a person doesn't want a tune but desires an overly sensitive gas pedal they should buy it.
Apparently people like it (being on a full throttle with 50% or whatever of the accel pedal demand). I would love to see how that's working for them if they actually take it autocrossing or the the track - where (at least I) you try to keep the throttle at just the right position to maintain traction in turn.

To each of their own.
 

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That's what annoys me about these products. Blatant lies, no doubt run by their lawyers to see what they can get away with without getting sued.

This is from JMS:
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Enhance low and mid-range horsepower and torque, trust me.
Increase throttle response & make your vehicle easier to drive. Eliminate stalling when accelerating from a stop on manual vehicles. Makes your vehicle great again!


If they just sold it for what it is, a device that lets you adjust your pedal modulation to suite your liking, that would be much better.
Yeah did you see their videos with that display and the fake static graph they show? All their wording is bs as well. I think if they advertised it truthfully they would have close to zero sales for the price theyre asking. If they sold for 20 to 30 bucks they might have a few sales but even then most people would say its just a gimmick.

What sacrifices are you even talking about??
The three sacrifices Im talking about are:
Losing pedal travel
Losing pedal resolution due to less travel
Losing 1to1 input vs output ratio. These cars have a 1to1 output ratio in normal mode which is the closest you will get to throttle by cable feel as shown in a previous diagram. Switching to sport modes or installing this device puts you further away from throttle by cable feel. Personally if I had drive modes I would get a tune asap and have the tuner change all the drive modes to have the same throttle input to output as normal mode.
 

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Yeah did you see their videos with that display and the fake static graph they show? All their wording is bs as well. I think if they advertised it truthfully they would have close to zero sales for the price theyre asking. If they sold for 20 to 30 bucks they might have a few sales but even then most people would say its just a gimmick.



The three sacrifices Im talking about are:
Losing pedal travel
Losing pedal resolution due to less travel
Losing 1to1 input vs output ratio. These cars have a 1to1 output ratio in normal mode which is the closest you will get to throttle by cable feel as shown in a previous diagram. Switching to sport modes or installing this device puts you further away from throttle by cable feel. Personally if I had drive modes I would get a tune asap and have the tuner change all the drive modes to have the same throttle input to output as normal mode.
Sport/track mode doesn't loose much resolution 85% pedal is 100% commanded and 0-17% pedal is same as normal mode only 22-85% is ramped up and it's not extreme.
 

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Apparently people like it (being on a full throttle with 50% or whatever of the accel pedal demand). I would love to see how that's working for them if they actually take it autocrossing or the the track - where (at least I) you try to keep the throttle at just the right position to maintain traction in turn.

To each of their own.
I had a similar device (SprintBooster) on my M3. It was great for day-to-day as the M3 had a programmed lag in throttle response, like the Mustang, to stop people spinning out (cf cars and coffee videos). This got on my nerves and make practicing heel-toe shifts very difficult. The SprintBooster fixed this. I turned it off at the track (the ones with turns) as it made the throttle way too twitchy. The programmed "sport" mode and "sport +" mode are clearly programmed by someone who doesn't do track days!

I actually liked the gadget as it made day-to-day driving a little more fun. They are overpriced though. One of the tricks of the tuners is to change the ECU throttle response mapping to make the car feel more powerful and responsive so you can feel "tuned", so when you get a (some) tunes, you are getting the same effect.
 

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You know what the funny thing is? All the people who are now telling you to get a cai because it is worth it, well a few months ago, many of those same individuals were arguing tooth and nails that aftermarket intakes did absolutely nothing. I remember getting into heated arguments with them. They said it made no changes in hp/tq, it did nothing, it was all placebo, the stock intake is better, etc.
Nobody ever said that they did nothing. The argument was that the change isn't as noticeable as you were leading on, and the stock intake does a good enough job. We're not getting into this argument here, I'd just like to point out that you still misunderstand what others were trying to say.

Also you seemed to think that because someone didn't have a CAI on their mustang, that their opinion wasn't valid, but you don't have a pedalmax or pedalcommander on your mustang...
 

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He seriously just loves to hear himself speak/read his own posts. Look at how much he posts, and how big his posts are, and most of it is just babbling. I won't comment on this or the intake discussion any further. He'll just go off on another tangent.
 

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I had a similar device (SprintBooster) on my M3. It was great for day-to-day as the M3 had a programmed lag in throttle response, like the Mustang, to stop people spinning out (cf cars and coffee videos). This got on my nerves and make practicing heel-toe shifts very difficult. The SprintBooster fixed this. I turned it off at the track (the ones with turns) as it made the throttle way too twitchy. The programmed "sport" mode and "sport +" mode are clearly programmed by someone who doesn't do track days!

I actually liked the gadget as it made day-to-day driving a little more fun. They are overpriced though. One of the tricks of the tuners is to change the ECU throttle response mapping to make the car feel more powerful and responsive so you can feel "tuned", so when you get a (some) tunes, you are getting the same effect.
Very over priced, and yes the power gain claims are total B.S.
l found mine used at about half the price brand new and thought what the hell l'll give it a shot, just something to tryout and play around with. If it was a total dud l would just re-sell it with little cash outlay in the end.
So far it's fun and adds some pep for street use.
 

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Nobody ever said that they did nothing. The argument was that the change isn't as noticeable as you were leading on, and the stock intake does a good enough job. We're not getting into this argument here, I'd just like to point out that you still misunderstand what others were trying to say.

Also you seemed to think that because someone didn't have a CAI on their mustang, that their opinion wasn't valid, but you don't have a pedalmax or pedalcommander on your mustang...
I understood exactly what you said. You simply don't know what you're talking about. I don't have one on my GT. I said that multiple times. But I also said I've used these devices and others like them on other cars. Therefore I am by far more qualified to make a comment about what it does than you are. Why are you even here commenting if you never even used the product. ANd how are you gonna tell me that the change isn't as noticeable as I'm saying it is if you never used it and I have. Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about because you're commenting on something you've never used.


He seriously just loves to hear himself speak/read his own posts. Look at how much he posts, and how big his posts are, and most of it is just babbling. I won't comment on this or the intake discussion any further. He'll just go off on another tangent.
Well if your head hurts from reading too much then I don't know what to tell ya. I say what I have to say. You don't like it? I don't care. And yes, I do enjoy hearing myself speak. Because when I comment on products, it is from experience using them...unlike you. You're the one talking just for the sake of it. I mean, you're talking and arguing about something that you never even tried. Still reading...?? I'll put it like this. I'm talking about what I know. You're just guessing. Come back when you've tried it.
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