Quicker throttle response

[Ambrotos]

Well I doubt people pushing 500+ up would want to be wot all the time from 700rpm to whatever in traffic. Torque and HP over come a lot of the lag.

The thing you aren't understanding is what this really does and how the car functions without it. I don't care if you slam your peddle half way or all the way. There is a lag in time the ecu is programmed for. Say you half way down with the peddle and want 80℅ wot. The time it takes for the ecu to process this and allowing the TB to open is say 2-3 seconds. With the peddlemax etc, as soon as you even hit the gas you are at whatever % of wot you have set. There isn't that few seconds for the ecu to allow this.


There can't be any argument that the old wire throttle has a upper leg vs ecu. Being able to hit 100% wot when you want will make daily driving or track runs feel more alive. Peddlemax and others simply allow this response. There is a lag even with sport or track mode. This removes the lag and allows you to be wot when you want.

Very doubtful it would have any impact on the straight track, but maybe a road course I think it would help the driver in turns and very very slightly decrease times. It's being engaged to our car and it responding to what we want, and this does it.

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[SergeyMelnik]

If you are going to quote me atleast stay on the subject line I posted and address that. In a drive by wire system with a brush resistor contact patch that then sends the signal to a solenoid yes it does have a delay. Anytime a signal has to be sent anywhere and make communication with something else that then has to relate that to another point creates a delay. You stated once you push the pedal on our factory drive by wire system it is an instant response. False! The only "instant" response you will get is drive by cable throttle system.

The only thing I will agree with you on is that it is very over priced.

I didnt address pedal to ecu lag because we perceive it as instant. There is a small delay in all electric current but for short runs it is instant to us. The lag you feel in your car is not because the pedal information current takes a long time to reach the ecu.
And lets say there is lag between the pedal and ecu, how will boostermax get rid of the lag? Please explain that one to me.
If you increase the dpi of your mouse will that get rid of monitor input lag?

 

[SergeyMelnik]

Well I doubt people pushing 500+ up would want to be wot all the time from 700rpm to whatever in traffic. Torque and HP over come a lot of the lag.

The thing you aren't understanding is what this really does and how the car functions without it. I don't care if you slam your peddle half way or all the way. There is a lag in time the ecu is programmed for. Say you half way down with the peddle and want 80℅ wot. The time it takes for the ecu to process this and allowing the TB to open is say 2-3 seconds. With the peddlemax etc, as soon as you even hit the gas you are at whatever % of wot you have set. There isn't that few seconds for the ecu to allow this.


There can't be any argument that the old wire throttle has a upper leg vs ecu. Being able to hit 100% wot when you want will make daily driving or track runs feel more alive. Peddlemax and others simply allow this response. There is a lag even with sport or track mode. This removes the lag and allows you to be wot when you want.

Very doubtful it would have any impact on the straight track, but maybe a road course I think it would help the driver in turns and very very slightly decrease times. It's being engaged to our car and it responding to what we want, and this does it.

Torque and hp have nothing to do with throttle lag. And why would an arbitrary 500 be the limit of throttle lag?

You obviously still dont understand the product or how a throttle by wire system works. There is no lag programmed anywhere and even if there was how would the pedalmax remove this ecu lag programing you speak of. Wouldnt that alter your tune and void your warranty? And the ecu processes your throttle input instantly. Whether or not it sends the throttlebody the signal instantly or what output its actually showing to the throttle body is up the the ecu. And if there was lag between these two points its not where the pedalmax connects so it would never be able to fix lag between ecu and tb.

Throttle by cable is not faster do to the cable. Its faster because there is no ecu between the gas pedal and tb. This gives manufactures the ability to let the car behave how they want it to behave regardless of what the sensors read. And most of the time they program the ecu, not the gas pedal, to output less or smoother power output at sudden pedal presses.

This product will never decrease times on any track ever.

 

[millhouse]

Well I doubt people pushing 500+ up would want to be wot all the time from 700rpm to whatever in traffic. Torque and HP over come a lot of the lag.

The thing you aren't understanding is what this really does and how the car functions without it. I don't care if you slam your peddle half way or all the way. There is a lag in time the ecu is programmed for. Say you half way down with the peddle and want 80℅ wot. The time it takes for the ecu to process this and allowing the TB to open is say 2-3 seconds. With the peddlemax etc, as soon as you even hit the gas you are at whatever % of wot you have set. There isn't that few seconds for the ecu to allow this.


There can't be any argument that the old wire throttle has a upper leg vs ecu. Being able to hit 100% wot when you want will make daily driving or track runs feel more alive. Peddlemax and others simply allow this response. There is a lag even with sport or track mode. This removes the lag and allows you to be wot when you want.

Very doubtful it would have any impact on the straight track, but maybe a road course I think it would help the driver in turns and very very slightly decrease times. It's being engaged to our car and it responding to what we want, and this does it.

I think you are misunderstanding what systems such as Peddlemax are capable of...and are misusing the term "lag". These systems do nothing more but intercept the stock input signal and alter it to provide a different output signal. They aren't controlling lag, but rather are controlling the signal output. Their goal is to allow less pedal travel provide more throttle blade travel. This simply reduces modulation, providing more of a on/off style throttle body response.

The lag you are talking about is not lag at all, but rather a programmed output to allow a smoother pedal modulation.

Some people like the light-switch response these systems provide, but they do absolutely nothing for performance. Quite frankly, you would have a difficult time measuring the time delta between stock and aftermarket when you slam both to the floor. These systems are a personal preference item only. For many (like myself), we feel the money would be better spent elsewhere. For others, it's money well spent to give the "feel" of more performance. To each their own.

 

[Kong76]

I didnt address pedal to ecu lag because we perceive it as instant. There is a small delay in all electric current but for short runs it is instant to us. The lag you feel in your car is not because the pedal information current takes a long time to reach the ecu.
And lets say there is lag between the pedal and ecu, how will boostermax get rid of the lag? Please explain that one to me.
If you increase the dpi of your mouse will that get rid of monitor input lag?

You perceive it as instant, not we. I know it is not instant. I knew you would ask that question and it is a valid point, I don't know anymore on the internals of the pedalmax other than it amplifys the signal. I didn't design it. How do other tunes increase throttle response? From every forum from Corvette to Jeep Jks that have bought and used a form of these devices have all been very happy.

I am going PP2 route so I won't need this. I did have one on my JK and it was a blast to drive.

 

[Ambrotos]

I think you are misunderstanding what systems such as Peddlemax are capable of...and are misusing the term "lag". These systems do nothing more but intercept the stock input signal and alter it to provide a different output signal. They aren't controlling lag, but rather are controlling the signal output. Their goal is to allow less pedal travel provide more throttle blade travel. This simply reduces modulation, providing more of a on/off style throttle body response.

The lag you are talking about is not lag at all, but rather a programmed output to allow a smoother pedal modulation.

Some people like the light-switch response these systems provide, but they do absolutely nothing for performance. Quite frankly, you would have a difficult time measuring the time delta between stock and aftermarket when you slam both to the floor. These systems are a personal preference item only. For many (like myself), we feel the money would be better spent elsewhere. For others, it's money well spent to give the "feel" of more performance. To each their own.

No I'm not. If something doesn't happen instantly then it's lag. Classify it as anything you want won't change it. But if I want full throttle and I don't get it when I want, it's lag. I don't care what signal it sends or contacts space aliens. If this product gives me wot when I want over the ecu determining when I should have it, then it is giving me what I want. It's that simple. And this gives me wot instant over the delayed ecu.

 

[SergeyMelnik]

You perceive it as instant, not we. I know it is not instant. I knew you would ask that question and it is a valid point, I don't know anymore on the internals of the pedalmax other than it amplifys the signal. I didn't design it. How do other tunes increase throttle response? From every forum from Corvette to Jeep Jks that have bought and used a form of these devices have all been very happy.

I am going PP2 route so I won't need this. I did have one on my JK and it was a blast to drive.

I didnt know you speak for everyone else. You meant to say me. Yes everyone knows electricity is not instant. But it is so fast in short runs that everyone perceives it as instant. When you turn on a light bulb does it not instantly come on? If you actually percieve a delay there then you must be one of a kind.
Tunes increase "throttle response" by disabling torque management or anything that impedes it from showing exactly what the pedal is showing at that exact time. Its like a smoothing effect. That PP2 youre getting with the 40lbs torque at 1500rpm, part of that power is coming from the disabling or lowering the amount of torque management.

 

[millhouse]

No I'm not. If something doesn't happen instantly then it's lag. Classify it as anything you want won't change it. But if I want full throttle and I don't get it when I want, it's lag. I don't care what signal it sends or contacts space aliens. If this product gives me wot when I want over the ecu determining when I should have it, then it is giving me what I want. It's that simple. And this gives me wot instant over the delayed ecu.

The problem you are having is with perception. Lag is the delay (reaction time) of the given input to perceived output. The Peddlemax or any other aftermarket adapter cannot change the system lag. What they can do is alter the output signal to give a larger output response. You see, the lag you are talking about isn't a lag, it simply the stock system giving you a smaller output. These add-ons you are talking about simply give you a larger output per given input. Again, were not talking about lag here...were talking about modulation. A smaller amount of pedal input with the add-ons give a larger throttle body output. Modulation, not lag.

I'm not sure how else to describe it.

 

[4V Mayhem]

I think some of you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[millhouse]

I think some of you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

Quite possibly. I am a master debater.

 

[SergeyMelnik]

No I'm not. If something doesn't happen instantly then it's lag. Classify it as anything you want won't change it. But if I want full throttle and I don't get it when I want, it's lag. I don't care what signal it sends or contacts space aliens. If this product gives me wot when I want over the ecu determining when I should have it, then it is giving me what I want. It's that simple. And this gives me wot instant over the delayed ecu.

Except this product does not give you wot when you want "over" the ecu determining when you should have it because when the ecu sees the signal from the pedalmax it still decides what the throttle body does which many times doesnt match what the pedal is showing regardless if maxpedalbooster is installed. Youre assuming boostermax modifies what the ecu does.

 

[Ambrotos]

And this is where we differ. It might not be full wot, but I get it that much quicker. I don't care how it works, but I get wot much quicker than sport or track mode where there is a clear noticeable response from the car that it makes any mode seem like it's on snow or rain mode compared to the peddlemax.

 

[millhouse]

And this is where we differ. It might not be full wot, but I get it that much quicker. I don't care how it works, but I get wot much quicker than sport or track mode where there is a clear noticeable response from the car that it makes any mode seem like it's on snow or rain mode compared to the peddlemax.

And that is the point of the product, to make it "feel" faster by reducing modulation. People obviously like it, or else the product wouldn't exist. I'm perfectly happy with pushing down farther on the pedal to get my desired response.

 

[Ambrotos]

Lol even pushing down on the peddle won't even come close to the effect this has. Thats the entire 60000 word essay everyone has been saying is about.

 

[millhouse]

Lol even pushing down on the peddle won't even come close to the effect this has. Thats the entire 60000 word essay everyone has been saying is about.

Lol, we fully understand about the effect, it's just that we don't care about losing modulation...and realize that when we "floor" the accelerator pedal, the end results are the same either way. You care about it "feeling" faster due to the loss of modulation. I only care about how fast it really is. It's a "feel good" mod, no more no less.

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