Procharger D1SC eats rubber inlet...

[ProChargerTECH]

Man...I was considering a procharger by the end of fall too maybe. What happens if we are a DIY type of person and tackles the install yourself following the instructions to a T and then you get a bearing issue (like above) and procharger says you installed it wrong and wont replace it...LOL. Guess im saving up for twinz...

If you have a bearing issue, (which is a faction of not even 1%) then your warranty covers the repair. Just like Ford has a warranty on your car, incase they have a bearing issue inside your motor. ;)

Again, this is the first I have heard of OUR inlet having a failure.
So considering the number of them out there, you will be just fine.

The instructions are really really good, and most people that actually read them, always give great feed back on how well written they are for the DIY guy.

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[smokinzx14r]

Well I pulled my intake tube off just to have a look see ..I wanted to do this anyway to see if any oil from the breathers was getting into the blower ..There was some oil in the tube and a little oil in the inside lip of the blower were the tube meets the blower .. Nothing I saw worried me that much , looking at my logs it not pulling timing so the small bit of oil is no causing a problem at this point ... I may add a catch can just to be safe ..

Ok back to the intake tube , I can see NO place were the intake tube has sucked in or touched the impeller.. That makes be very happy to see that after seeing this post .. I'm running more boost than the OP was but I'm also running a smaller PS-1 head unit .. I think just for peace of mind I will get Boost works intake tube once they release them ..

 

[Barrel]

I believe you were one of the very rare early kits that had the silicone piece correct?

There was only a handful of those that went out, and we sent out replacements to all customers that we had contact information for. I was nearly sure everyone had those replaced, other then the few people that said they didn't need a replacement, cause they had already fabbed up something custom and were totally cool with that.

Please PM me of that is not the case, and your serial number so that I can research your order, and packing slip.

Thanks!

Yeah don't mean to spread misinformation. The tube I had was the "first-gen" but I was told then it was my fault for getting the race valve. W/e. My shop had one custom fabbed and relocated the race valve.

FWIW I'm happy with my PC. Did half mile racing and 3 modded 911 Turbos, 2 modded GTRs, 2 GT500s, C7 Z06, '15 Roush Mustang, every Hellcat there, and about 40 or 50 other cars found out they were slower than my PC'ed Mustang.

 

[mwbracing]

I Failed to mention the first shop did trim and reposition the Red Race valve to get it off the tube but still a tight fit. The tube was damaged by being sucked into the impeller snout..pictures clearly show that. From my research from installation pictures and pictures of my vehicle it was all installed as per the instructions provided by Procharger.

 

[Sheenapple]

I have stated at least 10+ times on this forum.

IF that valve is pressing on the inlet tube, then the tubing needs to be cut to fit correctly. I have shown photos of the valve being installed, WITHOUT pressing on the tube.

The "race" valve is a RACE item, so thus it's a bit custom to make that thing fit in the car. It takes time to get it trimmed right, usually 2 or 3 times, but it will fit. I have done 2 myself, so I know exactly what it takes to do it.

I am more the willing to bet this is the root of part of a cause here.
And has been the underlying power issue all along.

have the instructions been updated to reflect this? i dont own a procharger, but i'm getting pretty pissed at your replies. and dont you dare say its a RACE item so instructions can't cover it. you might as well not include instructions with the god damn procharger itself.

 

[Travis@boostworks]

Woah.. Let's back up a second here.

I don't build a "competing inlet" for this setup.. As a matter of fact, the customer wanted one, and we were thinking about building it, but due to time constraints, we ended up just re-installing the Procharger supplied elbow that came with it.

Building inlets for Procharger equipped Mustangs is not a huge priority for us. We've been talking about doing it for over a year, since we witnessed a P1SC car eat it's elbow back then.. And we've never taken a shot at Procharger. We actually praised you guys last year when we retuned your P1SC kit and made over 700whp with it. Customer came in with drive-ability issues on the tune you provided. We took care of him, did we not?

[ame]

This is not the first time this has happened.. Let's be honest here. One of the biggest tuners our there has confirmed that he's seen it dozens of times from customers that he tunes for. This is the 2nd time I've seen it happen personally.

Here's a post from one of your dealers who installs tons of Procharger systems, and he talks about building a new tube primarily to address inlet flex..

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27399&highlight=p1sc+inlet

Also, we didn't install this kit. It was brought to us after being installed by a Procharger authorized/recommended (to the customer) dealer. The inlet wasn't trimmed improperly or anything like that. It was installed just as it should have been per the Procharger instructions.

What I'm getting at here, is my intent for this post was not to sell a product, as you have accused us of doing. We don't even make one yet for this particular application. If we did, the customer would have had it installed and we wouldn't be talking about this. Quite frankly, guys.. That's not how I do business. Anyone who has dealt with me will tell you the same. There are half a dozen other "issues" that I could bring up here with this kit that we've found. But I haven't.

When I posted this yesterday, I was pissed off because I now have to fix a car that should have been delivered to the customer today. We deliver when we say we will.. That's how it goes. This inlet collapsing costs us time, and it costs the customer more time/money. He's been without his car now for 3 months because of failures and inadequate tuning capabilities from a shop that Procharger recommended. We feel for him, and it's frustrating for us as well. We can't (in good conscience) charge the customer for 40 hours of shop time that we'll have vested in this when it's all said and done, now can we? So, maybe I should have thrown you guys a heads up, but the fact of the matter is that this still went down, and it has gone down before. It's costing our customer and our shop time and money. Fix your inlet issue, Procharger. Don't act like it doesn't happen, because it has. Us building a 2-300 inlet system isn't going to be a "game changer" for Boost Works. If it was, then I would have done it already. The only reason this one is being built is because we don't really have a choice. The mere fact that I brought it up has nothing to do with the failure of your product, and it's pretty crappy that you would insinuate that we somehow caused the failure.

Here's exactly what happened.. The car went on the dyno yesterday, and made 703whp (Mustang Dyno). This was pretty stout, and the customer was happy. Everyone was impressed, and everything was fine. Car was going to be delivered today.

Just like we always do before delivery, we take the car out and get some footage from inside/outside and run the car through it's paces to make sure everything is good.

I personally drove the car. 1st, 2nd, perfectly fine. Shifted into 3rd, and the car fell flat on it's face. Would not accelerate at all. It stayed at 5K rpm or so. Let off, hit it again, and same thing.

Here's a video from inside the car..



You can hear the car fall on it's face in 3rd, hear me let out, and hit it again. Same thing. I said "What the f*ck is it doing?!" at the end of the clip.

I tried once more, and this time it did it going into 2nd gear.. Here's the video..



I said "It did it again!!?" in that one.

I grab the laptop and plug into log, thinking it's a tune issue. The MAF reading goes from 86lb's per minute at the top of 2nd, and then down to 9lb's per minute when the car fell on it's face. The pedal position was 100%, and the throttle was at 85% (as far as it will open, as you know). Timing and fueling looked fine. Cam timing looked fine. So, I pulled over and popped the hood. I found rubber chunks all over the place, and a hole in the inlet.

Jeff was with me, and can vouch for this.

We limped the car back to the shop pulled the inlet off and took the pictures posted in this thread. We then informed the customer as to what happened. As a matter of fact, I did try to call ATI, but you guys were gone for the day. The customer was not happy, and I wasn't very happy about it either.

So, there you have it.. I don't appreciate being accused of doing something unethical/wrong, Procharger. We didn't make this thread to sell a product. To be honest, there's not enough money in it to make it worth our time. We will make and sell some, I'm sure.. but, this isn't going to set the world on fire, and I damn sure wouldn't stomp on Procharger to sell it.

 

[Evolvd]

And BW with the mic drop lol.

But seriously, all this discussion should have happened over the phone or through email/PM. If the customer wanted to trash on PC, that's his prerogative but the way it initially came across wasn't very positive...from either side.

Regardless, glad to hear no major damage was done and it seems like maybe PC should do some research into the actual number of issues these inlet tubes have caused.

 

[Travis@boostworks]

Guys, the race bypass has nothing to do with this.. It's a 90 degree flimsy rubber elbow that is getting sucked in because it just barely has enough rigidity to withstand 86lb's per minute of flow.

I would tell you to pull the inlet off and stick your hand about 6" away then have someone rap the throttle off.. but, you would loose some fingers in the process.

Do it with the elbow on, and you will see it move/flex on ANY of these cars at higher blower speeds. This isn't a "new issue".. and that's what's aggravating. I think higher temps cause the rubber elbow to become softer and easier to distort. At some point it becomes pliable enough to collapse in. I don't know for sure.. I just know that we sucked the inlet in on this car, and I've a P1SC car do it as well. So, whether it's an "issue" for Procharger or not.. it's an "issue" for us, and our customer right here, right now. That tells me that we cannot be the only ones.. and a chat with a well known tuner who tunes thousands of cars a year was able to confirm that with me.

So, instead of burying your head in the sand here, Procharger, why not fix the issue. You guys can build a metal inlet just like we can. It's not that difficult and it wouldn't cost you that much to do. My God.. It's not like we're re-inventing the wheel here. lol

 

[Travis@boostworks]

And BW with the mic drop lol.

But seriously, all this discussion should have happened over the phone or through email/PM. If the customer wanted to trash on PC, that's his prerogative but the way it initially came across wasn't very positive...from either side.

Regardless, glad to hear no major damage was done and it seems like maybe PC should do some research into the actual number of issues these inlet tubes have caused.

You're probably right.. I was aggravated when this happened, and so was the customer. It's been frustrating for both of us given the last 3 months of events with the other shop, and now with us. This stuff costs us time that we just can't charge the customer for in good conscience. Granted, he will have to pay for some of it, but we lose valuable time that could be spent on other customers cars. It's frustrating.

But it doesn't change the fact that there is an issue.. Procharger needs to address it.

 

[mwbracing]

I was not the one who initiated the thread. I responded because at the end of the day I'm the end user who has spent over 35% of the cars value on this build. I have reached out to Procharger because like many others I believe in working things out in a reasonable manner. They are suppose to call me later hopefully to offer an apology and to help recoup my money on the additional work.

 

[5.0 Steve]

The red race valve is too big so trimming the elbow is impossible so it wont collapse. The easiest solution is running an open intake with a screen or a different valve for the needed clearance and a hard plastic elbow.

 

[mmc]

Maturity on both sides is lacking here. I don't understand why BW couldn't wait 12 hours to talk to Procharger before making this thread. I also don't understand why Procharger didn't pick up the phone today and call BW. It is like you wanted to fight it out online.

BW - who is the top tuner who had seen dozens of these failures? Can we get them in this thread to post their first hand experience?

 

[daltron]

I for one am glad this was brought to light. Better the community knows.

 

[RockStang]

This is a public forum that people are free to post about their experiences as it relates to the S550 platform. That's exactly what this thread is about. No different than any other thread. It may be seen as a negative thread but the world isn't all sunshine and roses. This was a negative experience for someone so they posted about it. If it somehow offends people that someone posts about a bad experience they had, then you need to reevaluate your life. Maybe mind your own business if you don't like the thread?

 

[sonic]

This is a public forum that people are free to post about their experiences as it relates to the S550 platform. That's exactly what this thread is about. No different than any other thread. It may be seen as a negative thread but the world isn't all sunshine and roses. This was a negative experience for someone so they posted about it. If it somehow offends people that someone posts about a bad experience they had, then you need to reevaluate your life. Maybe mind your own business if you don't like the thread?

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