pistol carry

[Buldawg76]

I do agree with this portion of your opinion. In my lifetime I've watched my country completely change and not for what I think is the better. As a point of reference, when I was a teenager in high school many of our trucks still had visible gun racks with shotguns and rifles on them and we'd go hunting after school. No one was ever hurt and no mass shootings ever happened at all back then. The guns were never the problem, something else has changed here and it ain't the guns.

I'm off now, I agree this thread may have gotten sidetracked just a little too much and I'm as guilty as anyone. Peace.

It was the same in my school years as well and actually there are still many trucks with guns in the back window rack here today.

I started hunting with my dad at 4 years old and by ten I was out duck hunting with my buddies with no adult supervision with full permission of our parents. none of us ever got hurt or were unsafe in any manner and only the ducks were in danger.

As stated, before the gun is not the issue, people are the issue and always will be.

BD

Sponsored

 

[Spartan1]

Nuke this thread, it's now the gun loving chicken littles who are afraid of made up monsters like 'tyranny and oppression' spewing their uncivilized nonsense.

These 2A kooks just love guns, that's why they have them, and it's a big reason US society has become so uncivilized and is spiraling downhill FAST, people tie their self-worth to weapons.

My office is in one of the most dangerous cities in the US, but I'm not some chicken little small cokk coward who needs a glock in my possession, ever.

Unfortunately it's an article in a 250 yr old document, and is no longer relevant to modern society, so it won't change, I get that, but civilized countries don't need to have half the population armed.

We took the kids to Europe for 10 days this summer, started in Athens and ended in Spain. Our shuttle driver in Barcelona pointed out that there will not be much of a police presence due to the lack of crime, but we need to be aware of pick-pockets, so keep all our personal belongings within eyesight.

It was very refreshing to be in a country without a bunch of half-wits armed to the teeth simply because it's their 'god given constitutional right'.

I'm out as well, awful thread, let's get back to reading about Mustangs.

 

[Nightmonkey]

I could open that so called secure storage compartment in less the 5 seconds and have anything that is inside it.

In the past, the MP5s in police cars were locked in something like this.
The point is to prevent spontaneous unauthorized use, nothing more.


Regarding the offtopic:
I like the discussion because I don't take it personally.
Nothing is personal here because we're not sitting across from each other having a beer and talking.
But I can understand if the topic ends up in the trash, but maybe it can go to the offtopic area?
If someone doesn't want to see it, they can close their eyes (like I do with the superchargers, does not want to get hooked).
We're adults, aren't we?

@GJarrett
You seem to have in some regards the wrong picture from Europe/Germany. (I'm sure I do of the US, too).

We have not an overflowing problem with migrants here, most of them want the same thing as everyone else, to live peacefully. The main problem here is that the state system is not able to give these people a reasonable future perspective quickly, bureaucracy is suffocating us.
But there are always rotten apple in the basket, in this case it doesn't ruin the whole harvest.
E.g. my barber fled from Syria a few years ago. Let's be honest, a men's barber has to be a man, wouldn't be the case here without him.

The biggest problem for ordinary citizens are burglar gangs from Eastern Europe.
They'll clean out your place when you're at work or on vacation, but were already here before the big migration movements from the south.

@Buldawg76 @GJarrett

With regard to history, you can get the impression from Europe that a big demagogue is going around in the US, as it was once the case over here. So don't pretend that you are doing better than others.
Unfortunately, it's starting again over here, too.
The worst thing about it is that the average person follows such persons with false promises and thus helps them to win elections. Here in Germany, we talk about the right-wingers, who actually only serve their own interests and, at best, those of the upper classes.

Have you had the muzzle of an AR-15 ten inches from your face?

Ask 1,000,000 EU-citizens you meet randomly on the street and everyone will say no.

Crime tends to be highly spontaneous.

Someone causes parking scratches and takes off, that's a spontaneous crime over here (except france, it is common there... ).
I hope you understand the difference in perspective.
You're more likely to win the lottery here than someone trying to do you harm at gunpoint.

The opinion of foreigners on the subject means less than 0 to me!

That's a pity, could expand your picture, but it doesn't have to.

 

[Bob Lob Law]

 

[K4fxd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

Not much to say except people are the problem, not guns.

 

[Hadelson]

I'm not Germany and I don't live in the past either...
You live now in a world where you'd rather have a gun, not me.
You think that's normal, I can't imagine living in a place like that.


Lived in Germany for several years. Germany and most of Europe are entirely different then the USA. We have a constitution and Bill of Rights. Germany and most of Europe believe in controlling freedom and you must prove your innocence if charged in a crime. Most of this thinking comes from European nations and current forms of government are rooted in monarch systems. Point here is this belief is 180 degrees out from the USA where we believe innocence until proven guilty with the Bill of Rights directly related to our individual freedoms.

And to the comment on moral high ground...........once had open discussion with a German National who worked for me. "You Americans will never let us forget the atrocities we committed - my response "yes, that's correct". Germany choose for many years by law not to teach the causes of WWII and their actions. Entire generations there have no clue what they did.

 

[Nightmonkey]

...Germany and most of Europe believe in controlling freedom and you must prove your innocence if charged in a crime...

However you came to this conclusion, it is wrong.

Germany choose for many years by law not to teach the causes of WWII and their actions. Entire generations there have no clue what they did.

That underlines once again how ill-informed you are.

​

The topic of National Socialism and the Holocaust is firmly anchored in the subject of history in all federal states or - depending on federal state regulations - in social science subjects with a high proportion of history and is a compulsory subject in year 9 or 10, and in some cases also in year 8. As a rule, therefore, no pupil leaves school without having learned something about this chapter of German history. In addition, the topic is also discussed in other subjects at lower secondary level, particularly in German and religion/ethics with a subject-specific focus.​

​

In the upper secondary level, National Socialism and the Holocaust are once again a compulsory subject in a more in-depth and broader context.​

​

https://www.kmk.org/themen/allgemei...themen/holocaust-und-nationalsozialismus.html​

Perhaps that could be one of the reasons why we are so frightened by what has been going on in your politics for some time now.

 

[SheepDog]

made up monsters

You mean like this? was the monster that raped and beat this woman to death, then stuffed her body in a drainage pipe a made up monster?

Everyone has a right to defend themselves, and not everyone is a hulking Kung Fu Krav Maga Ninja such as yourself.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/n...eres-what-happened-since-baltimore-ma-and-pa/

 

[Nightmonkey]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

Have you looked at the details?
How many are affected in a decade over here vs. in a year in the US?
That over here they are often extended suicides?
How does your gun protect you if tomorrow a loved one wants to take your life out of the blue?

Not much to say except people are the problem, not guns.

But you're right, people are the problem.
You can be sure that our list would be like yours if we had your gun laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

[K4fxd]

Since the "bad guys" have guns I want one too. Simple as that. You might want a knife? or nothing. I'm old, there is no way I can defend myself from a drug crazed 20 year old. Colt is the equalizer. Hope I never need it, just like I hope I never need to use my fire extinguisher or insurance at my home.

 

[markayash]

How do you guys carry your full size pistol in your car?

 

[Nightmonkey]

@SheepDog
Over here a pepper spray would be enough, it's a bit more practical when jogging.

Since the "bad guys" have guns I want one too.

I can totally understand that.
In the US anyone can have a gun, here it's not so easy, even for the bad guys.

 

[K4fxd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_stabbings_in_Germany

When the wack jobs can't get a gun they use knives.

 

[shogun32]

And drugs.

Vitamin c and aspirin are killers!!
Not kidding

 

[Evolvd]

Wake up Admin, how long will you allow this bull chit political thread to continue?
Poor reflection on the forum!

Where’s the politics? Nobody has once said “republican” or “democrat” (except me just right now).

Enumerated rights are apolitical…dummy.

Sponsored