pistol carry

[shogun32]

This discussion really went off the rails. It it were ever on?

we went past 5 pages.

What should you do when you're walking through a Kroger, and 6 dudes with machine guns jump out at an old lady down the aisle?

isn't that every day in South Chicago? Just instead of INSIDE the Kroger, they do it out in the parking lot, and they are 13-15 year old u'tes waving around 9mm air-soft pistols with the orange painted over the tip. "we be jacking ur' because we be hungry and reparations and sh*t". Only to have granny swing her purse with its 20lbs of change in coffee cans and knock their asses OUT. And for good measure keeps pounding on them.

Then the real gangstas come a-runnin' and kick the snot out of the punks pullin this on their turf and assaulting the lady that fed them cookies and milk when they were but tykes back in the day. "u think u tuff homey? u be some kinda gangsta?"

Ahh, nothing like living in Chicago. Such an ideal city run by the best politicians and aldermen money can buy. The successful results of gun confiscation and outlawing ammo and possession speak for themselves.

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[Evolvd]

This discussion really went off the rails. It it were ever on?

Yeah that happens when a clown jumps into a thread he has no credibility in and starts talking shit just to be an attention whore.

 

[2fast2focus]

I'm jealous you live in a civilized country, as it is with most of Europe, where 50% of the population doesn't base their self worth or cokk size on how many guns they own, or feel the need to carry a gun on their person.

What are you gun carriers so afraid of that you actually carry a loaded weapon in your car?

I don't own a weapon but I know people that do. There are plenty of valid reasons for an individual to want to carry. Anything from it being their right, to previously being the victim of a crime, to wanting to avoid being a victim. I will make the assumption that you have never been in a questionable situation.

Oh no! Looks like too many people disagree with you, better lock the thread!
Fact is, this thread started off as a valid question. A lot of Mustang owners also own firearms. Sure enough, some people just couldn’t keep their opinions to themselves, so look what we have here now!

I agree with you, its a great question and there's current owners and prospective owners that could benefit from this. I've been considering attaining a carry license and I wondered how it would work carrying in a Mustang.

 

[I Bleed Ford Blue]

I've been considering attaining a carry license and I wondered how it would work carrying in a Mustang.

Good luck with that, being in NY you going have a hard time getting a permit to carry. NY is one of the hardest states to get a permit in. The other really hard states are Mass, IL, NJ, and Hawaii is the worst.

 

[Bob Lob Law]

I love that Missouri is a Constitutional Carry including concealed carry! I have a few family and friends with plenty of land and shooting ranges set up.

 

[Buldawg76]

Let's just ban all motor vehicles since they kill more people than guns ever have from drunk drivers, distracted drivers, inexperience drivers etc, then we don't need to discuss carrying a gun in a vehicle since we will no longer have any to drive and carry in. They are also just tools that humans use to perform everyday tasks like thousands of other tools that have the ability to injure and kill people.

What a wonderful world we would have with no tool of any kind that could harm or kill a human, I think the boredom would get rid of the ignorant and stupid naive population sooner than the brave and people with good common sense so then we would only have responsible law abiding people left.

One can only dream.

BD

 

[Nightmonkey]

If I wanted/needed to carry a weapon, I would have a lockable gun compartment installed in the door panel.
At least to lock it, if I need to leave it in the car.

e.g.

I do not think it is sad. My right as a human is to ba able to defend myself. I also have the right to use the best tool for the job. It's not just people I have to defend against. there are bears, mountain lions, venomous snakes and other dangerous wild life.

I think it is a sad place where you live and are forbidden to have firearms.

Now imagine you live in a country where you were more likely to be killed by a lump of ice from an airplane toilet than someone trying to take your life.
That's what makes it so sad that some of you even have to think about carrying a gun to feel safe.

Of course there is crime here too, but it's not the case that anyone would be compelled to carry a gun or even a knife or brass knuckles.

Firearms are not prohibited here.
Here in my area, many people are hunters, in 'Schützenvereinen', do clay pigeon shooting etc., and have a cupboard full of guns at home. To do this, they must prove their suitability, the weapons must be securely locked, etc.
But there is absolutely no reason to carry them anywhere other than for sport or hunting.

What is forbidden here is any form of automatic weapon, because they only serve one purpose, to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible (which even happens in your schools!).

The development of gun laws is somewhat different in the different countries over here.
A friend of mine was just on vacation in Denmark and shot Dragunov/SVD, MP5 (without automatic) etc. on a shooting range, not sure if the SVD would be possible in Germany.

Many people my age were in the (cancelled) compulsory military service and learned how to use the P8, Uzi, MP5, G3, G36 and MG3.
If the Russians (who can't even manage their special operation ) or someone else invade here at some point, I'll drive to the military depot around the corner and get armed and equipped.

But no one here except bad boys would think of carrying a firearm in public. Even an assumed weapon (softair etc.) will ensure that the police will arrest you at gunpoint.

If I would live in the US, I would probably arm myself too.

It's a shame that it will hardly be possible to change this. The whole gun issue is partly just a symptom, but it also ensures that guns fall into the wrong hands, which fuels the issue.

@Buldawg76
Is it freedom if you can be sure you need a gun?
The perspective is the issue, nobody needs a gun here, if you needed one because there's so much riff-raff running around, something would be wrong.
If the US would fix its society and social system, you wouldn't need guns, not even in the worst neighborhoods. Some would call that socialism, for us it's liberty.

 

[Evolvd]

If I wanted/needed to carry a weapon, I would have a lockable gun compartment installed in the door panel.
At least to lock it, if I need to leave it in the car.

e.g.

Now imagine you live in a country where you were more likely to be killed by a lump of ice from an airplane toilet than someone trying to take your life.
That's what makes it so sad that some of you even have to think about carrying a gun to feel safe.

Of course there is crime here too, but it's not the case that anyone would be compelled to carry a gun or even a knife or brass knuckles.

Firearms are not prohibited here.
Here in my area, many people are hunters, in 'Schützenvereinen', do clay pigeon shooting etc., and have a cupboard full of guns at home. To do this, they must prove their suitability, the weapons must be securely locked, etc.
But there is absolutely no reason to carry them anywhere other than for sport or hunting.

What is forbidden here is any form of automatic weapon, because they only serve one purpose, to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible (which even happens in your schools!).

The development of gun laws is somewhat different in the different countries over here.
A friend of mine was just on vacation in Denmark and shot Dragunov/SVD, MP5 (without automatic) etc. on a shooting range, not sure if the SVD would be possible in Germany.

Many people my age were in the (cancelled) compulsory military service and learned how to use the P8, Uzi, MP5, G3, G36 and MG3.
If the Russians (who can't even manage their special operation ) or someone else invade here at some point, I'll drive to the military depot around the corner and get armed and equipped.

But no one here except bad boys would think of carrying a firearm in public. Even an assumed weapon (softair etc.) will ensure that the police will arrest you at gunpoint.

If I would live in the US, I would probably arm myself too.

It's a shame that it will hardly be possible to change this. The whole gun issue is partly just a symptom, but it also ensures that guns fall into the wrong hands, which fuels the issue.

@Buldawg76
Is it freedom if you can be sure you need a gun?
The perspective is the issue, nobody needs a gun here, if you needed one because there's so much riff-raff running around, something would be wrong.
If the US would fix its society and social system, you wouldn't need guns, not even in the worst neighborhoods. Some would call that socialism, for us it's liberty.

I’ll respond fully later as I have to get ready for work but you’ve made many false claims here that require correction. Suffice it to say….Germany has not moral high ground when it comes to history and freedoms.

 

[K4fxd]

If the %$#*&^, invade us I won't have to fight my way to the armory to get a weapon. It's in my home and it is not locked up.

To do this, they must prove their suitability, the weapons must be securely locked, etc.

This is sad. Why would you need to prove your suitability to own a firearm? Why must it be locked up?

But no one here except bad boys would think of carrying a firearm in public.

So only "bad boys" are armed, sounds like Chicago.

Some would call that socialism, for us it's liberty.

You have a twisted sense of liberty.

There are places in this Country where it takes the Police 30 or more minuets to show up. This is due to the long distances they must travel.

I do not trust anyone to protect me and mine except ourselves.

I have never had to use a firearm except for hunting and target shooting, I hope this remains true till I die.

I know this is a cliche but I would rather have a firearm and not need it then to need it and not have it. Be prepared and all that. If we didn't have firearms how would my neighbor have protected his kids from a pissed off bear?

Our founders got it right.

 

[Nightmonkey]

Germany has not moral high ground when it comes to history and freedoms.

I'm not Germany and I don't live in the past either...
You live now in a world where you'd rather have a gun, not me.
You think that's normal, I can't imagine living in a place like that.

This is sad. Why would you need to prove your suitability to own a firearm? Why must it be locked up?

In the final result so that not everyone needs one.

I do not trust anyone to protect me and mine except ourselves.

As I'm trying to say, this is a social problem.
Our perspectives are from a completely different direction.
Here you are legally obliged to help others in the event of an accident or disaster; if you don't, you will end up in court. In other words, if you are not a good fellow human being, you will be punished.

I know this is a cliche but I would rather have a firearm and not need it then to need it and not have it.

I use this saying for tools; I can rule out ever having to use it with a weapon.

 

[K4fxd]

I use this saying for tools; I can rule out ever having to use it with a weapon.

A firearm is a tool.

 

[K4fxd]

As I'm trying to say, this is a social problem.

No, despite what you may think our Country is very civilized. You can visit just about anywhere and not need a weapon. Lots of us like to have one.

You have drug addicts same as we do. I don't know if you have dangerous wildlife, but we do.

Most Police officers in this country never un holster their weapon in their entire career.

Aren't there no go zones in France and possibly the UK?

 

[Evolvd]

I really wish I had the time today to deep dive into the nuances and facts between the US and other countries but alas I have to work and my boss wouldn’t take too kindly to me spending an hour plus on my phone doing the required research to counter many of @Nightmonkey claims and assertions. So don’t take that as me shying away from it, I’ll get back to those when I’m home and have the bandwidth to put the needed effort into my retort.

 

[sms2022]

Not reading all that but funny you started this thread because I’ve been struggling with the same thing. I can fit my sig M18 in the center console in the holster. Otherwise my 1911s etc go under the passenger seat from the back.

 

[Nightmonkey]

@Evolvd
Spend your time doing something nice instead!
I don't care about the topic very much, but it interests me.
But it seems to be important to you, do as you like.
In the end, I think you can break the issue down to inequality, which is unfortunately also increasing here.

The topic is maybe a bit like the speed limit on highways.
I hope we will never have a general speed limit here.

A firearm is a tool.

You can look at it that way, but I use tools to create or repair things, which a weapon cannot do.

No, despite what you may think our Country is very civilized. You can visit just about anywhere and not need a weapon. Lots of us like to have one.

I've already been there, I thought it is great (including Chicago ).
But some of the magic that the US used to have for me has disappeared.

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