PD vs Centri 10R80

[Gav1n]

Hey y'all, looking for experiences and opinions on supercharged GT's. I have a '22 GT 10R80, and go back and forth between PD and Centri superchargers constantly. I enjoy ripping it from a stop time to time, but also enjoy opening the throttle on the highway as well. I'm not a drag race guy, more corners and maintaining high speed. What are your experiences with various super chargers and how they perform and handle during stops, rolling, and track use (ideally 10R80 GT folks). Thank you!

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[tdstuart]

Lots of posts on here covering the subject.

What are your thoughts with tires? If you are not wanting to run a drag radial then the centri might make more sense as it will be less hard on tires from a stop. Both if properly setup and making good power will still blow off tires tho.

Any budget considerations? You can get a good kit centri for a lot cheaper than a good kit pd.

Power goals? Will this be a daily driver?

Is reselling a concern? A whipple will probably be an easier resell and fetch more.

Are you wanting a complete kit? Do you care if the dealer installs it? Whipple kits can be installed by the dealer as a dealer package

I know not a direct answer to the driving characteristics but just some questions to think about that will play into the decision.

 

[compprep]

I have a 19 GT A10 PP1, so it has 3.55 gears. Procharger stage 2. Winds up so quick now with the 3.55 glad I have the A10. Max boost is 8lbs on pump 93. No dyno numbers yet but car is plenty fast enough for me. (Maybe too fast at times!) Have 315/30-20 Pilot Super Sports on rear. Also, lots of Steeda suspension parts so rear is pretty well planted. No track time yet. Runs fine in day to day running. Next step is getting the A10 tuned. That's another $700.

Make DAMN sure whoever does the install (more so tuning) knows what they're doing. I went PBD, engine blew up on the dyno. So, cost me at least $10K MORE to the replace engine, new tuner, etc. Do you have the extra cash for that scenario? If not might want to rethink.

 

[Gav1n]

Lots of posts on here covering the subject.

What are your thoughts with tires? If you are not wanting to run a drag radial then the centri might make more sense as it will be less hard on tires from a stop. Both if properly setup and making good power will still blow off tires tho.

Any budget considerations? You can get a good kit centri for a lot cheaper than a good kit pd.

Power goals? Will this be a daily driver?

Is reselling a concern? A whipple will probably be an easier resell and fetch more.

Are you wanting a complete kit? Do you care if the dealer installs it? Whipple kits can be installed by the dealer as a dealer package

I know not a direct answer to the driving characteristics but just some questions to think about that will play into the decision.

I currently have 19x11 tear 19x10 front wheels with Firestone Indy 500's as my summer/sport-y tires. I've definitely seen PD's tend to shred tires quite a lot faster than centri's.

Generally I am thinking 7-10k total for the super chargers cost including tune, not including further supporting mods. I know ESS has tended to become the favorite go-to recommendation for budget supercharging. But if what I want to do with this car is better served with a PD, then I'd save for it.

Overall goal is 650-750ish WHP. Not gonna be a year-round daily anymore, due to getting more appropriate vehicles. More my summer and warm weather/special day vehicle.

My Wife and I came to the simultaneous decision that this car means too much to both of us that we won't be getting rid of it anytime soon. So resale isn't a concern.

Install will most likely be done by me And my wife. We are active military overseas with a US spec S550, so I don't like local's touching our mustang. We have a garage, as well as on base access to a lift and copious tools. The tune will likely be remote, but the work is gonna be done by us.

The 18 y/o in me will always love some tire shredding action, my main concern is wether a centri or a PD is more worth it for a car that we want to handle well around a track, but be usable daily and see the benefits of power. The Nürburgring and Hockenheimring are both less than 3 hours from us currently and we'd love to track our car while we are here. When we get back to the states this will absolutely not be the daily driver, but the special occasion and track-type car for us.

 

[Gav1n]

I have a 19 GT A10 PP1, so it has 3.55 gears. Procharger stage 2. Winds up so quick now with the 3.55 glad I have the A10. Max boost is 8lbs on pump 93. No dyno numbers yet but car is plenty fast enough for me. (Maybe too fast at times!) Have 315/30-20 Pilot Super Sports on rear. Also, lots of Steeda suspension parts so rear is pretty well planted. No track time yet. Runs fine in day to day running. Next step is getting the A10 tuned. That's another $700.

Make DAMN sure whoever does the install (more so tuning) knows what they're doing. I went PBD, engine blew up on the dyno. So, cost me at least $10K MORE to the replace engine, new tuner, etc. Do you have the extra cash for that scenario? If not might want to rethink.

Currently my car is sitting on a set of quality coilovers, with planned Steeda parts to cover overall rigidness and handling.

The install of aftermarket parts will be done by my wife and I. The tune I had been eyeing Lund for a while now, but I know in general there are multiple well-regarded tuners for the 15-23 mustang.

 

[robvas]

Make DAMN sure whoever does the install (more so tuning) knows what they're doing. I went PBD, engine blew up on the dyno. So, cost me at least $10K MORE to the replace engine, new tuner, etc. Do you have the extra cash for that scenario? If not might want to rethink.

How long ago was this and what was their excuse

 

[compprep]

How long ago was this and what was their excuse

April 2023. Right after their top guy left. Can't remember his name right now. Rob something?

My indy, who's a late 40yo, 2nd gen machinic with a dyno (14 yrs at least) builds 3000HP pro mod drag engines, sleds, bikes, etc. was live online with them with car on dyno and he stated: "Car needs more fuel, isn't right". PDB asked "How much gas in the tank?" WTF!!! Seconds later engine blew. Of course they and all other tuners make you sign away ALL your rights to blame them. In other words. "No tune for you" unless you state you know the risks, etc. Seems no one recommends them anymore. I know I won't.

 

[tdstuart]

Currently my car is sitting on a set of quality coilovers, with planned Steeda parts to cover overall rigidness and handling.

The install of aftermarket parts will be done by my wife and I. The tune I had been eyeing Lund for a while now, but I know in general there are multiple well-regarded tuners for the 15-23 mustang.

If you want you can dm me and I’ll give you some info on your tuner options.

 

[tdstuart]

I currently have 19x11 tear 19x10 front wheels with Firestone Indy 500's as my summer/sport-y tires. I've definitely seen PD's tend to shred tires quite a lot faster than centri's.

Generally I am thinking 7-10k total for the super chargers cost including tune, not including further supporting mods. I know ESS has tended to become the favorite go-to recommendation for budget supercharging. But if what I want to do with this car is better served with a PD, then I'd save for it.

Overall goal is 650-750ish WHP. Not gonna be a year-round daily anymore, due to getting more appropriate vehicles. More my summer and warm weather/special day vehicle.

My Wife and I came to the simultaneous decision that this car means too much to both of us that we won't be getting rid of it anytime soon. So resale isn't a concern.

Install will most likely be done by me And my wife. We are active military overseas with a US spec S550, so I don't like local's touching our mustang. We have a garage, as well as on base access to a lift and copious tools. The tune will likely be remote, but the work is gonna be done by us.

The 18 y/o in me will always love some tire shredding action, my main concern is wether a centri or a PD is more worth it for a car that we want to handle well around a track, but be usable daily and see the benefits of power. The Nürburgring and Hockenheimring are both less than 3 hours from us currently and we'd love to track our car while we are here. When we get back to the states this will absolutely not be the daily driver, but the special occasion and track-type car for us.

Seems like it really is down to feel for you.

Too bad you are overseas or maybe you would be able to get a ride in someone else’s car that is on the forum.

I know there is specific posts and threads from members with PD blowers and centri blowers talking about how they feel.

From what others have said the centri blower just adds to the current power curve so you will have to rev out to feel the big power where the PD blower will give a lot bigger punch down low.

If you do go whipple the tune you can get through whipple which will be a very good tune. Whipple works very close with ford on their tunes.

 

[qwiknotch]

I have a Vortech V3Jt on mine. 65k miles and still going strong. Several of my friends have broken their crank snout with pd blowers. Vortech uses the factory belt tensioner. On e85 and 3.3 pulley, it makes 900+ rwhp.
650-700 is easily done and the centri is way better on the street, way less torque.

 

[jpjr501]

Procharger here. An A10 with a centri blower shifting at 8000rpm every gear is nuts. Since the torque is much lower than a PD blower it's a lot more manageable down low. Once it gets to 6000rpm it becomes ridiculous to 8000rpm.

I'm actually getting ready to pull it off the car though and go back to stock after 1400 miles though. Only because I may be moving and an F150 would be a better vehicle in the Mountains.

 

[wumbo5.0]

Depends on it's intended use.
10r80 here.
Step one is deciding what you really want to do with the car? What's the goal?
Going boost is going to be fun for time to time hoonin' regardless.

If you find yourself more of a spirited highway driving type of guy, centri is more appropriate. Torque is less , very manageable. Car feels faster up top. Makes sense if that's what tickles your pickle.

If you're more of a light to light type of guy. Love ripping it from low speed. That torquey feeling.
PD blower is best at that.

Reliability is the same for both.
Pricing is more or less the same for both.

Just depends on what you like. Can't go wrong with either.

The purpose of my car is for rolls. 40 and 60 rolls.
That's what tickles my pickle. Went with an ESS G3X

 

[cbrtrx]

Most will recommend what they have, I personally like the centri on 10r80 cars. To me it works well on the street. Here's a dragy from my car on the street. Vortech with 3.33 pulley on e85.

 

[wumbo5.0]

Most will recommend what they have, I personally like the centri on 10r80 cars. To me it works well on the street. Here's a dragy from my car on the street. Vortech with 3.33 pulley on e85.

What’s the psi on that pulley? Very nice!

 

[qwiknotch]

-847 ft. Wow. I wish we saw shit like that out in California.

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