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You do get increased camber wear on the tires, but if your tires are not directional than you can flip them on the wheel to get increased mileage. You can also go to zero toe to increase tire life while simultaneously giving better handling; then again, your average owner would complain about tire wear and twitchy handling. These are some of the things that separate average owners from enthusiasts.
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A lot of suspension designs will increase camber as load is applied throughout the corner. If one starts with some negative camber when not under load, when the suspension adds camber under cornering load, the tire will flatten out and increase the contact patch.

I.E. negative camber with a lot of suspensions will increase grip in the corners.
That's kind of the problem. The 15 likely will include substantial camber gain in the rear suspension, to create the effect you describe. As the suspension compresses, negative camber will increase. If you lower the car, the static camber will be more negative than Ford intended, and probably more negative than is optimal (creating that lame, tilted-wheel look). For best handling and reasonable tire wear, you need to be aware of static camber settings when lowered, and know what the camber gain curve looks like. Now, probably a modest lowering won't be deadly, but it is a variable we haven't had to deal with (except on 99-04 Cobras) until now. No doubt the suspension folks at places like Steeda, MM, Saleen, and so forth are all ready to offer whatever corrective parts are needed and we'll just have new bolt-ons to consider!:clap2:
 

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What exactly is "off" about it?
Since you asked (and since anything wrong with the S197 is likely to be a minority opinion), it's much too high and "thick." Expecially with side spats and/or a tall hood, it looks heavy. The single biggest improvement in the S550 is the drop of the hood line, to make the whole car lower and less massive. With the added width, the S550 looks far meaner, and looks about 1000 pounds lighter, though it's apparently just as big and likely just as heavy as the S197.

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I saw the car at the Philly show. Just like the Aston pictures can't show the true lines and look of this car.
 

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I've been saying for years that Ford does not do the Mustang any favors in press photos. IMO they tend to focus on perspectives that you really don't see in real world conditions. With that said, I was blown away when I saw it in person. The car has presence.
 

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...the biggest thing that goes missing from pics/videos is the cohesion of all the styling elements and design cues. The current car looks like what it is...a vehicle that has been refreshed and modified at the front and rear from its original design. It still looks good, but the front and rear look a bit off and it looks like three separate designs slapped together... you'll notice this when you do see an S550 to compare.

The S550 hits you in person as a car where everything melds together with the same look/theme. Even the front looks like it belongs in person, despite many pics making it look a bit weird. The whole vehicle is by far much more "together" than the current car...much lower/sleeker/wider/stylized.

I think you have a great description of the current car (S197). Though I think Ford nailed the 2013-2014 there is still something off about the car that doesn't "flow" perfectly. Again I'm nitpicking. The stance, fit and finish and overall flow of this Mustang is something we have not seen before, for the modern version.
 

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I think you have a great description of the current car (S197). Though I think Ford nailed the 2013-2014 there is still something off about the car that doesn't "flow" perfectly. Again I'm nitpicking. The stance, fit and finish and overall flow of this Mustang is something we have not seen before, for the modern version.
the 2013-2014 is pefect when you add lowering springs and wider wheels and tires. It will fill up the hideous wheel gap and make the sla not so roudy in corners....Im keeping my 13 for along time.
 

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the 2013-2014 is pefect when you add lowering springs and wider wheels and tires. It will fill up the hideous wheel gap and make the sla not so roudy in corners....Im keeping my 13 for along time.


Simply adding lowering springs is not the right way to address the suspension. The shocks/struts also need to be replaced to match the new spring rates and travel. Also the rear control arm geometry and bushings needs to be addressed to eliminate wheel hop.
 

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My question has been why did it take so long for Ford to build a mustang that doesn't look like a 4x4 from the factory? Is it a cost thing or what? They dragged their feet on color keying the side mirrors and door handles for the longest time as well, finally joining the 21st century just a few years back. and FINALLY there is no antenna except inexplicably on the convertibles (I'm told for Sirius? really? blah!). And they have finally delivered a base model that is worthy of the car for the 2015 from the looks of it.
 

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My question has been why did it take so long for Ford to build a mustang that doesn't look like a 4x4 from the factory? Is it a cost thing or what? They dragged their feet on color keying the side mirrors and door handles for the longest time as well, finally joining the 21st century just a few years back. And they have finally delivered a base model that is worthy of the car for the 2015 from the looks of it.


I can't remember which thread but someone asked the same thing and the response was IRS.
 

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I can't remember which thread but someone asked the same thing and the response was IRS.
Maybe. But haven't a lot of people who owned the most recent models been lowering their cars with springs and suspension upgrades right away? Seems there is much more to it than the IRS or Live Axle.
 

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Simply adding lowering springs is not the right way to address the suspension. The shocks/struts also need to be replaced to match the new spring rates and travel. Also the rear control arm geometry and bushings needs to be addressed to eliminate wheel hop.
I'm talking from an aesthetic pov. Lowering springs 100% changes the look of the car at every angle plus adding some 10" wheels really completes the look.
 

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Maybe. But haven't a lot of people who owned the most recent models been lowering their cars with springs and suspension upgrades right away? Seems there is much more to it than the IRS or Live Axle.
Here's what Im talking about for example.....this look totally changes the late model s197's esp the 2013-2014's.

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Here's what Im talking about for example.....this look totally changes the late model s197's esp the 2013-2014's.

You're right. The stance looks awesome in that vid. Love the CS wing on the 13-14 GTs as well. Goes great with the LEDs out back. Is that your car?

The 2015 is so different in that the wing and side scoops etc are all gone for the most part (most here are going with spoiler delete of the very subtle and low key spoiler), and may look silly if someone tries to tack on large aftermarket ones, we'll see. Either way we can all agree any mustang from the last decade can look amazing with some small tweaks, but out of the box they are just a bit off (mosly in ride height)....
 

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I feel like the taillights from the '13-14 still had another 5 years left in them, they are the best out right now.
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