New 2.3 EcoBoost introduced today

[S550Boss]

Just for a very rough comparison, what would the CO2 fee be for a new Focus ST with the EcoBoost 2.0? And what is the gm figure for that?

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[Whiskey11]

Will the 2.3 EB be built in Cleveland Engine Plant No. 1 along with the 2.0 EB, 3.5 EB and the 3.7 DT? That plant is already running three shifts, if I'm not mistaken. I read where Ford is adding a new line at the Lima Engine Plant (where the 3.5 and 3.7 Duratech V6 engine are built) for production of an Ecoboost engine, but it will supposedly be a V6, not the 2.3:

http://www.limaohio.com/news/local_news/article_63882faa-0c22-11e2-8363-001a4bcf6878.html

So where will the 2.3 be built?

Lima would be an absolutely incredible and hilarious stroke of luck as the original 2.3L was a Lima built motor hence why they are called 2.3L Limas! ;) I hope Lima actually gets it because, well, nostalgia or something!

 

[Josh Painter]

Lima would be an absolutely incredible and hilarious stroke of luck as the original 2.3L was a Lima built motor hence why they are called 2.3L Limas! ;) I hope Lima actually gets it because, well, nostalgia or something!

That would be cool. According to the article, the Lima plant has room for a third production line. So a line could be added to produce the 2.3 EB there. The 3.7 DT is being built in both the Lima and Cleveland plants, so I don't think it's likely Ford would add a second 3.7 line to the same factory in Lima just to produce the 2.3 EB in Cleveland.

 

[nametoshowothers]

Nothing short of a nightmare:

- 10% import tax on car + shipping cost
- 21% sales tax on car + shipping cost + import tax
- new car registration tax fully based on the CO2 output

The latter is the worst because it gets up progressively with the amount of CO2 grams. On A 2014 GT with 5.0 Coyote which does around 320 grams it's currently 60,000 euro, which translates into $78,000 atm. Mind you this is JUST the registration tax, it comes on top of the car and the import tax and sales tax.

So a new 5.0 will cost around $130,000

This is why a lot of people over here are eagerly awaiting the 2.3 4-banger. If it were to output say 180 grams the registration tax is around 13,000 euro, aka $16,900. Which is still a retarded amount but compared to 60K for a V8 it's heaven.

That is why you move to the usa or Canada or the Middle East, live there for at least 6 months, buy 3 mustangs and then move back to Netherlands tax free. You end up have three for the price of a half mustang in NL. Essentially running spares, set for life

 

[Thunderbuck]

So my understanding is that this EB2.3 is "detuned" in the MKC. Any guesses as to what the motor will be rated at in the 'Stang? Even 300 for hp?

 

[Ericc B]

Total cost: $ 230.289 (and that is excluding any transport costs and insurance which will have a 25% VAT added to it...)

Can you say I4 please??!

Wow I knew it was bad up there, but I didn't know it was this bad!

So basically our 130,000 is a steal

That is why you move to the usa or Canada or the Middle East, live there for at least 6 months, buy 3 mustangs and then move back to Netherlands tax free. You end up have three for the price of a half mustang in NL. Essentially running spares, set for life

Actually the rule is you have to live abroad for 1 whole year, have owned the car there for 6 months and you are only allowed to bring back one. But yeah it's tax free. Believe me the thought has crossed my mind more than once...

If I were to quit my job, move to the USA, buy a Stang, don't work, just sit on the beach all day and move back after a year I would have more money than when staying here, keeping on working and paying the 130,000 euro for the car.

:headbonk:

 

[gojensen]

Pft, I don't even think we can get even one tax free car with us back home... our government loooooves their taxes and fees (on that note, the new government elected this autumn is said to decrease the "power fee" on cars with about 14% which is good for me I guess )

As for the Focus comparison... a $24.420 Focus ST seems to have 169 g/km CO2 emissions, which would give these base fees.

- weight fee : 12.312
- power fee : 23.725
- CO2 fee : 8.240

A stripped down Focus ST (only available with manual transmission) is $77.600 over here as they are actually selling them So about $53.180 in taxes then...

Should we talk about gas prices aswell? There's a reason electrics are a BIG thing up here... NO taxes, no road tolls, and power is "cheap". I can get a fully specced out top model Tesla Model S for the same price as a BMW 435i - and I'm pretty sure the Tesla is a lot faster. The base Model S is about the same price as the Focus ST.

 

[Josh Painter]

So my understanding is that this EB2.3 is "detuned" in the MKC. Any guesses as to what the motor will be rated at in the 'Stang? Even 300 for hp?

We've seen estimates ranging from 310 to 330 hp.

 

[nametoshowothers]

Wow I knew it was bad up there, but I didn't know it was this bad!

So basically our 130,000 is a steal



Actually the rule is you have to live abroad for 1 whole year, have owned the car there for 6 months and you are only allowed to bring back one. But yeah it's tax free. Believe me the thought has crossed my mind more than once...

If I were to quit my job, move to the USA, buy a Stang, don't work, just sit on the beach all day and move back after a year I would have more money than when staying here, keeping on working and paying the 130,000 euro for the car.

:headbonk:

I always wondered why dutch colleagues bought on average 3 cars when on foreign assignments. No longer was baffled after I lived there and understood the taxes. I really enjoyed life in NL (except for the taxes!)

 

[RevvdMedia]

Pardon me?

"The 2.3-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder offers best-in-class performance even when measured against competitors’ six-cylinder engines. The 2.3-liter EcoBoost offers projected best-in-class horsepower per liter and best-in-class torque per liter, generating 275 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 300 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,000 rpm, according to preliminary test data.
The 2.0-liter EcoBoost, standard on MKC, generates 240 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 270 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,000 rpm, according to preliminary test data."

Projected may be a key word here, but based on my math:

275/2.3 = 119.565 HP per Liter
300/2.3 = 130.435 LB/FT per Liter

Competitive example: Kia Sportage SX
260/2.0 = 130.000 HP per Liter
269/2.0 = 134.500 LB/FT per Liter

Unless they want to distinguish between SUV and CUV, or if the MKC is in "a class of its own."

Best-in-class power per liter, by whose measurement?

 

[TearTheHorizon]

So where will the 2.3 be built?

It's currently built at Bridgend, and shipped over. If rumor mill near me has maintained its accuracy. (So far spot on though)

 

[Josh Painter]

It's currently built at Bridgend, and shipped over. If rumor mill near me has maintained its accuracy. (So far spot on though)

I did a little research on the Brigend plant. It has been producing the Ecoboost 1.6 since 2010 and will also be turning out the new Ecoboost 1.5 starting in 2014. Production of the 1.5 will be ramped up at Brigend over the next two years until plant output "is maintained at optimum capacity," according to a company spokesman.

So it doesn't sound like the 2.3 EB will be coming from Wales. :shrug:

 

[TearTheHorizon]

Its not an official engine yet, i'm sure it wont be produced there. Maybe in small numbers for the euro spec focus RS. Its production will probably be brought over like the 2.0 eb.
Bridgend also puts out a 1.4 and 1.25. Non US motors.

 

[Josh Painter]

Its not an official engine yet, i'm sure it wont be produced there. Maybe in small numbers for the euro spec focus RS. Its production will probably be brought over like the 2.0 eb.
Bridgend also puts out a 1.4 and 1.25. Non US motors.

Usually when a Ford engine plant gears up to produce a new engine, the company provides press releases and access to plant managers to the local press. It's good PR to show that FoMoCo is investing millions in these facilities, creating new jobs and otherwise contributing to the local economy.

But it seems as if Ford is intentionally keeping it secret where the 2.3 EB will be built, and I can't understand why. It's already common knowledge that the 2.3 EB will be offered in the Mustang, and it's been announced that it will be an option for the Lincoln MKC. I've searched intensively for any news reports about any Ford engine plant ramping up a line to build the 2.3 EB and have found nothing.

Strange...

 

[lil=john]

Nothing short of a nightmare:

- 10% import tax on car + shipping cost
- 21% sales tax on car + shipping cost + import tax
- new car registration tax fully based on the CO2 output

The latter is the worst because it gets up progressively with the amount of CO2 grams. On A 2014 GT with 5.0 Coyote which does around 320 grams it's currently 60,000 euro, which translates into $78,000 atm. Mind you this is JUST the registration tax, it comes on top of the car and the import tax and sales tax.

So a new 5.0 will cost around $130,000

This is why a lot of people over here are eagerly awaiting the 2.3 4-banger. If it were to output say 180 grams the registration tax is around 13,000 euro, aka $16,900. Which is still a retarded amount but compared to 60K for a V8 it's heaven.

:eyebulge:That's crazy..:rant:

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