MSRP GT350

[ElSanchez302]

We dont agree with the overall concept and thats ok, but I hope we can be cool?

Yeh I cant actually decide which guy I am, the Cayman guy or the Mustang guy...havent figure it out yet. working on it. But I have been Ford fan for my since my first car.

This is America, baby! We can agree to disagree. :amen:

About that Cayman thing...a friend of mine who is a stunt driver and has excellent taste in cars had an M3 which she turned in for a Cayman GTS at the end of her lease. She just traded that Cayman in for a Macan suv. Why? Her words: "The Cayman just never felt that special." I know for fact that those words will never be uttered from someone who just beat up a GT350.

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[Trackaholic]

This is America, baby! We can agree to disagree. :amen:

About that Cayman thing...a friend of mine who is a stunt driver and has excellent taste in cars had an M3 which she turned in for a Cayman GTS at the end of her lease. She just traded that Cayman in for a Macan suv. Why? Her words: "The Cayman just never felt that special." I know for fact that those words will never be uttered from someone who just beat up a GT350.

I drove a Cayman GTS (along with a 911 GT3, Ferrari 458, and Lambo Huracan) at Exotics Racing in Las Vegas. I drove the Cayman first, and even compared to my Z, I would agree that it didn't feel that special.

It had a very nice interior, an excellent PDK gearbox, a powerful engine, an extremely balanced chassis....but it was just missing something emotional that I was looking for.

The GT3 on the other hand, did have that feeling of being something special. The Ferrari was sweet as well, but the Lambo topped them all in terms of being an "event".

As much as I love the theory of the Cayman (lightweight, mid-engine, great handling) it just doesn't have the feeling I'm looking for.

I think the GT350 will also be filled with passion (something that the Mustang has always had), and the new chassis tempers the passion with excellent sports car attributes. I think that is part of why there is so much interest in this car. It is pulling in buyers who would have gone for the Cayman, M3, Vette, or AMG in the past. Instead of a traditional Mustang buyer looking at the car and thinking that a $60,000 Mustang is a high price to pay, you have people used to $75,000 cars thinking that the Mustang is a great deal.

I still look at the design and the areas in which Ford had to cut corners to keep the costs manageable, and it makes me hopeful that they will build enough to satisfy demand and allow the excellent price to be realized by buyers (instead of simply padding the pockets of the dealers).

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[CANTWN4LSN]

I see your point but that doesn't mean it is on the consumer because your dealer made their "choice", there is little ethical business out there anymore so Im not surprised. As far as selling for MSRP, yes you can, what difference does it make if they sell in 2 seconds or two days...no answer needed.
...You can but you choose not to, regardless of the reason or any argument written here to justify your position it is still your dealers decision and "choice". The market my a.., youll take as much as you can for the greed and profit. I get it, I dont operate that way....say whatever you want to this response because I dont care, your wrong, your dealer has a choice, it is all about being honest and ethical which I understand most businesses these days are not. But at the end of the day you have to be able to explain why it isnt the Dealers "choice" to sell at MRSP, what negative effect is there if you sell for MSRP?

Sorry to edit your response but felt the need to highlight the crux of your statements. Thank you for your opinion. I would be pleased to do business with a person such as yourself. Try to run my business the same way and glad to commend those who do. Dealer I have mine with at MSRP has the same ethic as I suspect most who sell at MSRP do. BTW would NOT buy a new vehicle at less than cost either. Trying to live by the Golden Rule, assuming that's what you mean by honest and ethical. Tough world out there.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Sorry but I call bullshit to a lot of you on this "ethics" issue if you were in the seller position yourself and your business.

Say you sell watches at a store you own and Rolex puts out a limited edition watch. Making 500 total of them (I have no idea what the yearly volume of regular rolexes are so I kept it small for example purposes). The MSRP of the watch is $10k. You only get 1-2 of them total and know someone will pay $12k for it; the same 20% markup as $10k ADM.

You would turn down someone walking in and willing to pay $12k; the customer FULL KNOWING the tag on the watch says $10k, not hidden? I call bullshit. You would pocket that money as fast as you can and say have a good day. There is nothing unethical with nothing hidden. The fracking sticker is on the car, just like the watch example, there is no lying or misdirection. Everyone making an offer knows what the extra money amount is over sticker being asked, there is no hide the ball. And everyone is free to walk away if they dont like the deal and shop elsewhere; same with these cars. Or don't get one, it's a luxury item not eggs to feed your family everyone is fighting over here. Its kind of pathetic to see actually.

Ethical smugness is like throwing rocks at a glass house. Easy when you dont live there, pretty damn hard when it's your own house. Ie. easy to criticize when its not your own business, and you have a vested interest in criticizing, versus if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

[ITLRUN]

I'm one of the "lucky" ones buying at MSRP. I'm usually a Ford A Plan buyer, but I really wanted a GT350, so I was willing to go MSRP. My dealer says they are in business to make a living not a killing. Great home town folks not 2 miles from my own small business. FWIW, I'm getting their only 2016 allocation.

 

[DrumReaper]

I'm one of the "lucky" ones buying at MSRP. I'm usually a Ford A Plan buyer, but I really wanted a GT350, so I was willing to go MSRP. My dealer says they are in business to make a living not a killing. Great home town folks not 2 miles from my own small business. FWIW, I'm getting their only 2016 allocation.

Congratz, bro. Welcome to the club!

 

[w3rkn]

Sorry but I call bullshit to a lot of you on this "ethics" issue if you were in the seller position yourself and your business.

Say you sell watches at a store you own and Rolex puts out a limited edition watch. Making 500 total of them (I have no idea what the yearly volume of regular rolexes are so I kept it small for example purposes). The MSRP of the watch is $10k. You only get 1-2 of them total and know someone will pay $12k for it; the same 20% markup as $10k ADM.

You would turn down someone walking in and willing to pay $12k; the customer FULL KNOWING the tag on the watch says $10k, not hidden? I call bullshit. You would pocket that money as fast as you can and say have a good day. There is nothing unethical with nothing hidden. The fracking sticker is on the car, just like the watch example, there is no lying or misdirection. Everyone making an offer knows what the extra money amount is over sticker being asked, there is no hide the ball. And everyone is free to walk away if they dont like the deal and shop elsewhere; same with these cars. Or don't get one, it's a luxury item not eggs to feed your family everyone is fighting over here. Its kind of pathetic to see actually.

Ethical smugness is like throwing rocks at a glass house. Easy when you dont live there, pretty damn hard when it's your own house. Ie. easy to criticize when its not your own business, and you have a vested interest in criticizing, versus if the shoe was on the other foot.

Not all dealers operate as if they are in California.

 

[w3rkn]

Just one problem with your theory... 2016's are in limited supply as well. If you know how they're not, let all of us know so we can all be in the same page.

Why do you think the 2016 are in limited supply..? Who told you that..?

 

[Hack]

Sorry but I call bullshit to a lot of you on this "ethics" issue if you were in the seller position yourself and your business.

Say you sell watches at a store you own and Rolex puts out a limited edition watch. Making 500 total of them (I have no idea what the yearly volume of regular rolexes are so I kept it small for example purposes). The MSRP of the watch is $10k. You only get 1-2 of them total and know someone will pay $12k for it; the same 20% markup as $10k ADM.

You would turn down someone walking in and willing to pay $12k; the customer FULL KNOWING the tag on the watch says $10k, not hidden? I call bullshit. You would pocket that money as fast as you can and say have a good day. There is nothing unethical with nothing hidden. The fracking sticker is on the car, just like the watch example, there is no lying or misdirection. Everyone making an offer knows what the extra money amount is over sticker being asked, there is no hide the ball. And everyone is free to walk away if they dont like the deal and shop elsewhere; same with these cars. Or don't get one, it's a luxury item not eggs to feed your family everyone is fighting over here. Its kind of pathetic to see actually.

Ethical smugness is like throwing rocks at a glass house. Easy when you dont live there, pretty damn hard when it's your own house. Ie. easy to criticize when its not your own business, and you have a vested interest in criticizing, versus if the shoe was on the other foot.

Passing on ADM as a dealer is like you or me turning down that bonus the boss is planning. I don't think many do it. I don't see anything unethical there unless the dealer makes and then breaks an agreement with someone.

However, I really understand why buyers don't like ADM. Many people want to buy something and can afford it at MSRP, but can't afford to outbid others. Some people are lucky enough to have a special relationship with Ford and their dealers - I'm a bit jealous. I'm just a nobody who likes Fords. I can afford a GT350.. just barely. I will be willing to pay a small adder, but there's a chance I won't be able to afford the adder that the dealers will ask for.

I've done all I can putting myself in a favorable position with a dealer, buying 4 cars in the last 4 years from them as well as getting my GF to buy one there. Hopefully it's enough. It wasn't enough to get them to make an up front agreement with me. :(

 

[w3rkn]

ADM = opportunist.


It is a non issue. Everyone knows there are markets where bling and ego exceed reality. So of course some California dealers will have these at high ADM, while certain dealers have good rapport with their patrons & let it go at msrp.


Not every dealer does it. If you want to pay ADM, that is your choice for buying into the exclusivity of being first. Nothing more.




How many M4 are made each year..?

 

[DrumReaper]

Why do you think the 2016 are in limited supply..? Who told you that..?

Better question is, why do you think they're not? Do we have to go here again? :headbonk:

Read around the threads...

 

[sticker]

Better question is, why do you think they're not? Do we have to go here again? :headbonk:

Read around the threads...

Yeah you're right, 16s are in short supply as they have yet to deliver one.

Give it some time and there will be enough to go around as is always the case in Mustang land. When has a willing and financially capable buyer not been able to obtain a Shelby, SVT, or other SE Mustang? The answer is NEVER and there is no logical reason why it would be any different this time around. Don't be a sucker and listen to car salesman BS or are you a car salesman. You certainly sound like one.

 

[Spa2k]

There will be between 4,000 and 5,000 2016s produced - as Ford has said consistently - a similar number to the 2014 GT500s. I guess it's up to everyone to decide if that's "limited production."

 

[sticker]

There will be between 4,000 and 5,000 2016s produced - as Ford has said consistently - a similar number to the 2014 GT500s. I guess it's up to everyone to decide if that's "limited production."

"Adequate" production would be more accurate terminology as it has been the rule to this point with each and every SE Mustang. "limited" as an adjective indicates more buyers than available units. That is simply NOT how it works with Mustangs regardless of whatever BS and lies your friendly neighborhood car salesman feeds you.

 

[DrumReaper]

There will be between 4,000 and 5,000 2016s produced - as Ford has said consistently - a similar number to the 2014 GT500s. I guess it's up to everyone to decide if that's "limited production."

You're wasting wifi dude... And if you posted that on your phone away from home, you're wasting data.

Sticker is a funny dude... Gotta give the man props. Ain't no swaying that brutha. He's definitely from another mutha.

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