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[Livernois Motorsports]

[MENTION=12224]stormtrooper[/MENTION],

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[ypena02]

I had Mobil 1 in mine when it blew up. From now on I'm only paying the dealership to do the oil changes, not leaving them with any excuse to use if the motor blows again.

Ford can't deny the warranty because you use an oil that's not Motorcraft brand. As long as you use an oil that meets or exceeds factory grade, you should be fine.

 

[Juben]

Also worth noting MotorCraft Full Synthetic has a low calcium content as well.

From what I've seen from the spec sheets and UOAs, the MC Full Synthetic usually ranges from 2,100-2,300 in Calcium content. That's on par with the PUP, but the part where it gets hairy is the NOACK. The NOACK of the MC FS is 14.3. That's knocking right on the limit of 15 to pass oil standards tests. The lower the NOACK the better. PUP, Red Line, and Amsoil have some of the lowest NOACKs I've seen in those types of oils. The Motul that lots of people use is around the 11% NOACK marker.

Let me make this point though, NOACK isn't the only thing you want to look at in a motor oil, and a higher NOACK rating doesn't mean an oil is poor or going to blow your engine up. There's other content information to consider like the calcium, phosphorous, zinc and more. I've tried to find an oil that is a great all-around performer while really nailing down some key areas that I feel are important for use with a DI engine. For me, that's the PUP. Red Line would be the best in my opinion due to the base formulation (esters), having a NOACK of 6%, calcium content around 2,300-2,400, etc., but with it's hard-to-find availability, higher pricing, and only slightly beating out the PUP in NOACK, that's why I use the PUP.

The best thing for anyone to do though is to do your own research. People are more zealous about defending their oils than almost anything else car related I've seen, so do some research, learn what to look for, and make educated decisions based on facts and solid information.

 

[Radiation Joe]

In regards to the oil comments, some of them are running Amsoil, which is very high (3,600-3900) in calcium. My Pennzoil Ultra Platinum usually tests in the 2,200-2,400 range. I just noticed the calcium of the Amsoil 5w30 Sig. Series this morning and found it to be one of, if not the highest, calcium concentrations in any motor oil.

Something else you want to look at is NOACK of an oil. Although the calcium on the PUP is moderate, the NOACK tests at 6.7-7.0 for me. That's great and so far only Red Line oil has a lower NOACK. Amsoil is usually around a 7.5, which is still very low. For reference, the allowable limit to pass oil test ratings is 15.

I've done a lot of reading and research about calcium in oil and it's relation to LSPI, and from what I've seen in research papers (SAE papers), the information would seem very plausible.

Now, I'm not saying the reason these engines have failed is because of oil, but it is a very interesting variable to add to the equation.

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Your numbers for NOACK seem off to me. My understanding is that Pennzoil Ultra has a NOACK of 11.5; not great. Amsoil usually comes in very low ... in the same range as Redline. It depends on the grade, where formulations with more viscosity improvers tend to raise the NOACK values. I run 10W-30 M1 in my wife's 3.5L EcoBoost for just that reason. It has little or no viscosity improvers.

As you stated, Amsoil has just about the highest level of Calcium around. I was unaware of it's contribution to LSPI. One more variable to consider in future oil purchases, I suppose.

Thanks for kicking up the detail level in this thread. :cheers:

 

[Mattrix]

Ford can't deny the warranty because you use an oil that's not Motorcraft brand. As long as you use an oil that meets or exceeds factory grade, you should be fine.

Yeah I know.

 

[marjen]

I didn't realize oil could really play a factor until reading that article. Interesting how Ford is trying to find the right oil formula to try and reduce risk. Also did not realize Amsoil was so high in calcium and that that could be an issue for these engines. Good find.

 

[HappySquirrel]

I know this may have already come up (apologies if I'm being redundant), but does anyone know of any cases where 2016 models have blown up? I can't recall one (I know someone mentioned it's mostly been early 2015s), and I've been reading this forum somewhat religiously.

 

[Mattrix]

I know this may have already come up (apologies if I'm being redundant), but does anyone know of any cases where 2016 models have blown up? I can't recall one (I know someone mentioned it's mostly been early 2015s), and I've been reading this forum somewhat religiously.

To our knowledge no 2016 cars have blown up.

 

[Tune+]

To our knowledge no 2016 cars have blown up.

Same here, I don't know of any 2016's.

 

[marjen]

Same here, I don't know of any 2016's.

Hopefully this is a good sign that somehow whatever the issue is, Ford has done something to reduce it. But it could also be that there are just not as many on the road yet and the don't have as many miles on them.

 

[Mattrix]

Hopefully this is a good sign that somehow whatever the issue is, Ford has done something to reduce it. But it could also be that there are just not as many on the road yet and the don't have as many miles on them.

I think they learned a lot about this motor with the RS and made adjustments.

 

[Juben]

Your numbers for NOACK seem off to me. My understanding is that Pennzoil Ultra has a NOACK of 11.5; not great. Amsoil usually comes in very low ... in the same range as Redline. It depends on the grade, where formulations with more viscosity improvers tend to raise the NOACK values. I run 10W-30 M1 in my wife's 3.5L EcoBoost for just that reason. It has little or no viscosity improvers.

As you stated, Amsoil has just about the highest level of Calcium around. I was unaware of it's contribution to LSPI. One more variable to consider in future oil purchases, I suppose.

Thanks for kicking up the detail level in this thread. :cheers:

The NOACK values I listed was what I've found on BITOG and PQIA and what I've seen on my UOAs. I'll look further into it though. I've got a considerable amount of the Pennzoil Ultra (old formula) stock piled that I've been working through. I tend to call it PUP because you can't locate the old PU anymore. I should have clarified that though. If the new formula is indeed a higher NOACK, I'll switch over to Red Line once I'm out of this.

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[jbailer]

The NOACK values I listed was what I've found on BITOG and PQIA and what I've seen on my UOAs. I'll look further into it though. I've got a considerable amount of the Pennzoil Ultra (old formula) stock piled that I've been working through. I tend to call it PUP because you can't locate the old PU anymore. I should have clarified that though. If the new formula is indeed a higher NOACK, I'll switch over to Red Line once I'm out of this.

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What about the Royal Purple that ypena02 mentioned? It would be interesting to compare between the 3. I've been using Pennzoil Platinum in my car since it was new, I never see the ultra in the store. Is there really a lot of difference?

 

[Brianh922]

Check Walmart for the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. I run it in my DD(Altima) I pick up the 5 quart jug there for $27. It's a good oil I saw about an extra MPG when I switched from Mobil 1 EP when it first came out. But I run the Motul Xcess in the Stang until I feel the need to switch to something else.

 

[Radiation Joe]

The NOACK values I listed was what I've found on BITOG and PQIA and what I've seen on my UOAs. I'll look further into it though. I've got a considerable amount of the Pennzoil Ultra (old formula) stock piled that I've been working through. I tend to call it PUP because you can't locate the old PU anymore. I should have clarified that though. If the new formula is indeed a higher NOACK, I'll switch over to Red Line once I'm out of this.

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The original ultra was rated by Pennzoil at something like 8 for NOACK if I remember correctly. When they changed the formulation, it went up significantly. I think it has something to do with the additive package they use. Didn't realize you'd stocked up on the old stuff. Now the question is: why did they change the formulation? Was there a problem with the oil or a problem with production at the refinery?

The Calcium levels in the Ford blend are pretty high as well. That and the NOACK values will keep me from recommending it for direct injection and EcoBoost engines going forward. My guess is there will be a new standard out shortly with reduced Calcium as the main difference. I noticed that some of the newer oil formulations are reducing Calcium significantly and supplementing the CA with Magnesium. The Mobil 1 in my wife's car is one of those.

Oh well. Time to do some more research on BITOG.

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