Mileage before modding?

[BmacIL]

Honestly if you're not going to rev past 7300rpm, you should just stay stock manifold, or 2018 intake manifold (preferably ported) is what I suggest.

Do not worry about revving to 7500-7700 RPM. This motor can definitely handle it. IMO the 2018 intake manifold is the goldilocks manifold for retaining as much torque as possible and maximizing the high RPM power within the limits of this engine. It is very similar performance to the GT350 manifold. It just doesn't hold peak power quite as far to 8,000 RPM. It also doesn't lose as much lower end torque.

Agreed. My '18 Manifold, GT350 CAI, AED 93 tune dyno.

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[Bluemustang]

^^^Look at that dyno graph. From 5750 to 7500 RPM - over 400whp the entire way. That is a nice curve. Peak hp/tq numbers don't tell the full story. It's about the powerband and the area under the curve. Shifting at 7500 RPM, by the time you are in the next gear, you are still in the meat of the powerband and will blow the stock manifold away which drops off HARD past 6500.

 

[Guzmans5.0]

^^^Look at that dyno graph. From 5750 to 7500 RPM - over 400whp the entire way. That is a nice curve. Peak hp/tq numbers don't tell the full story. It's about the powerband and the area under the curve. Shifting at 7500 RPM, by the time you are in the next gear, you are still in the meat of the powerband and will blow the stock manifold away which drops off HARD past 6500.

Not bad at all, plan on doing headers to?

 

[BmacIL]

Not bad at all, plan on doing headers to?

No plans to.

 

[toplesstripcruiser]

It really depends how often you drive it. You can either go by mileage or time. Any car I’ve had I go by time. I have under 7k on mine so I go by time. If I went by mileage I’d never get my car tuned, or would have only had the oil changed once. Well that goes with any car I’ve had. I am just waiting until the 5 year warranty is up.

 

[2015Etrac]

Lot's of good info on this post. So it's safe to rev up to 7500 with the stock engine? The ported 18' manifold is most likely what I'll go with after reading this post, since I don't plan to up my limiter to anywhere near 8k rpm, maybe 7500 tops, and another bonus is that it's like $800 cheaper than the GT350 intake.

 

[2015Etrac]

Agreed. My '18 Manifold, GT350 CAI, AED 93 tune dyno.

Nice dyno. I know the 18'+ cars are quick, but it looks like you can get to their level with just a few relatively small mods? I'm focusing on making my car more about handling than straight line power, but it would be nice to get into the mid-high 11's in the 1/4 mile.

 

[2015Etrac]

On a 2016? I wouldn't worry. The Gen II Coyotes are stout. I've been tuned since 10,000 miles. Flashed my car many times - Bama, Lund.. Few different CAIs I've tried. 93 tune. Flex Fuel tune. New intake and injectors, no problem there. Engine runs like a top.

Only thing I need is a catch can.

I would highly recommend a tune and a GT350 intake. Seems like that's what you want - going to all GT350R like suspension and all that. If you want a GT350 manifold on the cheap, get a 2018 intake manifold instead.
But the quality of the GT350 intake is certainly there and will let you go get power up to 8,000 RPM. Revs all day.

*Just don't bang off the limiter at 8,000 RPM. Either shift at 7500-7800 or have them up your rev limiter beyong 8,000 or have them turn the rev limiter off. Don't want to be hitting the rev limiter at 8k and blow your motor.

Back to the GT350 intake - I think you will find - it will change the car. It will make the powerband much smoother. Even if you lose a little bit of torque it should make it easier to drive and make it more fun for what your goal is. I noticed this with my recent 2018 intake swap. I had my suspicions and it turned out to be true.

When you actually want to go FAST. 2018 intake, GT350, or Cobra Jet. Don't listen to these F150 guys talking peak torque numbers. When you actually want to go fast, the power under the curve at high RPM, all three of those intakes will blow the stock intake away. The F150 intake nosedives even more at high RPM. That GT350 intake will make your car faster.

Thanks for the reply. I'm leaning towards an 18' ported manifold now since I don't plan to be running the car past 7500rpm, and it's about $800 cheaper. So shifting at 7500 I probably wouldn't see much if any power difference between the 18' manifold and a GT350? It looks like BmacIL is still making power right up until about 7500 with his ported 18', which would be perfect for me.

 

[DivineStrike]

One of the reasons I went with AED was Shaun's attention to detail. He has no interest in putting you in a spot with risk. Obviously you're taking on some by adding power and revving higher, but at no point will he let the tune be the cause of an issue.

I originally liked the things I heard about livernois, but now my mind has been changed to go with AED next year when I do my mods, just based on all the great things I’ve heard on the forums. Nothing against livernois really but just really good things going for AED. With them I can likely data-log and get a more precise tune, probably keep the IIRMC, when I do the 2018 intake mani, plus all the other great things I hear. Don’t remember if doing the 350tb is beneficial with the 18 mani or if they can tune it well

 

[BmacIL]

Nice dyno. I know the 18'+ cars are quick, but it looks like you can get to their level with just a few relatively small mods? I'm focusing on making my car more about handling than straight line power, but it would be nice to get into the mid-high 11's in the 1/4 mile.

The way the power is delivered compliments a good handling chassis, like you've worked on too. It makes it really enjoyable to drive quickly, and also gives you a bump in thrust and a wider powerband for autocross.

 

[BmacIL]

I originally liked the things I heard about livernois, but now my mind has been changed to go with AED next year when I do my mods, just based on all the great things I’ve heard on the forums. Nothing against livernois really but just really good things going for AED. With them I can likely data-log and get a more precise tune, probably keep the IIRMC, when I do the 2018 intake mani, plus all the other great things I hear. Don’t remember if doing the 350tb is beneficial with the 18 mani or if they can tune it well

I tried the GT350 TB first. I don't recommend it unless you are only drag racing or just limited street driving. The low throttle modulation and idle quality was poor. Switching to the stock TB made it wonderful.

 

[Bluemustang]

Thanks for the reply. I'm leaning towards an 18' ported manifold now since I don't plan to be running the car past 7500rpm, and it's about $800 cheaper. So shifting at 7500 I probably wouldn't see much if any power difference between the 18' manifold and a GT350? It looks like BmacIL is still making power right up until about 7500 with his ported 18', which would be perfect for me.

Definitely. I was all set to get a GT350 intake before I saw this. I was in disbelief for awhile until enough facts came out.

Bmac's isn't even ported lol. But that goes to show how good it is. Ported add another 5-10whp/wtq.

Seems to be 7600 is the best place to shift with this manifold but the band is so wide that you can shift earlier and still be in the meat of it. It makes peak power about 7200 rpm. These engines can rev to 7500 no problem. I have my rev limiter set to 8,000 to give me a little room. Just don't bounce off the limiter at 8K. You could even have them turn it off. No reason to rev to 8k with this manifold though.

The power delivery really suits the chassis/suspension upgrades.

 

[EFI]

Why not go with the PP3 from Ford Performance?

It may be a little more money than most others but it does not affect your current Ford warranty.

 

[2015Etrac]

Definitely. I was all set to get a GT350 intake before I saw this. I was in disbelief for awhile until enough facts came out.

Bmac's isn't even ported lol. But that goes to show how good it is. Ported add another 5-10whp/wtq.

Seems to be 7600 is the best place to shift with this manifold but the band is so wide that you can shift earlier and still be in the meat of it. It makes peak power about 7200 rpm. These engines can rev to 7500 no problem. I have my rev limiter set to 8,000 to give me a little room. Just don't bounce off the limiter at 8K. You could even have them turn it off. No reason to rev to 8k with this manifold though.

The power delivery really suits the chassis/suspension upgrades.

Yeah, it seems like a popular option now. I'll probably pick up a ported one this spring. So there's no need for stuff like aftermarket opg's if you rev it out to 7600?

 

[Bluemustang]

Yeah, it seems like a popular option now. I'll probably pick up a ported one this spring. So there's no need for stuff like aftermarket opg's if you rev it out to 7600?

Nope.

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