magazines vs the track

[PJR202]

In my time here I've many times seen someone say that, despite what the reviewers say about the camaro being faster, it's "not what the track shows."

I take that to mean it's beating camaros at the dragstrip. But is that stock for stock? There are almost no videos of stock for stock on the new models out there. What's the story? And what are the conditions/factors that are making the story? Certain mods with certain results, etc? The only thing I see for the most part are roll races, which really don't tell me much of anything.

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[jtmat]

Who takes a stock car to a drag strip?

Well, I guess if you just got the car and wanted to see what it would do before your mods, I could see that...

Oh, and second, I guess, if I were driving to the drag strip and leaving my car in the parking lot, I'd take a stock car.

Heck, I don't know anyone with a stock GT or ecco. I know one (possible?) stock V-6 owned by a lady I bumped into at the dealer.

And the camaro is an ugly POS that you can't see out. Plus it has no trunk space. Don't like that car.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

But is that stock for stock? There are almost no videos of stock for stock on the new models out there. What's the story?

Only the magazines and the OEMs with bigger stock performance numbers care about what is stock or not. Ford seems to care about the original Pony Car meme of making your car unique for your interests and supporting an aftermarket that lets you easily mod your car.

Competing on a track should be about you and what you chose to do to your car, not about what your competitor's manufacturer chose to release from their store.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

In my time here I've many times seen someone say that, despite what the reviewers say about the camaro being faster, it's "not what the track shows."

I take that to mean it's beating camaros at the dragstrip. But is that stock for stock? There are almost no videos of stock for stock on the new models out there. What's the story? And what are the conditions/factors that are making the story? Certain mods with certain results, etc? The only thing I see for the most part are roll races, which really don't tell me much of anything.

I took my car to the track when it was new. It had 500 miles on the clock bone stock. It ran a 12.7 on a 90 degree humid day in August. The DA correction was a 12.4ish. I've seen Camaros run 12.4 stock in the same conditions without the DA correction. They are faster stock. A tune levels the playing field. And once mods are added the Mustang has absolutely no problem winning. A quick look at our fast list and there fast list tells the tale. I've yet to lose to a 6th gen Camaro in my bolt on Mustang. And I'm at the track more than most on this sight.

 

[EcoVert]

Ford seems to care about the original Pony Car meme of making your car unique for your interests and supporting an aftermarket that lets you easily mod your car.

You are so right. :first:

 

[thePill]

In my time here I've many times seen someone say that, despite what the reviewers say about the camaro being faster, it's "not what the track shows."

I take that to mean it's beating camaros at the dragstrip. But is that stock for stock? There are almost no videos of stock for stock on the new models out there. What's the story? And what are the conditions/factors that are making the story? Certain mods with certain results, etc? The only thing I see for the most part are roll races, which really don't tell me much of anything.

Take the SCCA or NASA for example. In the SCCA ProSolo, Camaro competes in F Street and it is the Camaro's best class. There is less than 0.25 seconds between the Boss 302 (non-Laguna Seca), 5th Gen 1LE, '16 SS and '15 GT at any given configuration.

All cars are permitted equal rubber and 275's all around... still, the advantage between the 5 including the E92 M3 is nonexistent. There is a test conducted by the SCCA, posted on Google, that shows a fully loaded, GTPP Premium was 0.20 behind the 2015 World Champions, championship 1Le. Stock, right off the lot GTPP Premium vs. a prepped, championship winning 1Le.


In a few weeks, MT will try and convince people a 2017 1Le is faster than a 2015 z28 at Laguna Seca in lesser tire and less brakes. They will also claims m is seconds faster than the Automatic ATS-V Randy just lapped there.

They also were busted testing a z28 with 469rwhp. It was absolutely, positively, a Ringer...


Fact: You DO NOT get the car tested in the magazine. Another fine example is the old zl1's "11's all day". Ended up being 12.5... The z28 was destroyed in IMSA by the GT350 and chased out of the series...

For 1/4 miles, an S197 is far better for having a solid axle.

 

[16 GT MM/Auto]

In my time here I've many times seen someone say that, despite what the reviewers say about the camaro being faster, it's "not what the track shows" ...

Forget what you see at the track. The only people who attempt to deceive others more than drag racers are fisherman (expounding on the size of their catch). True.

Modern day mag tests make use of correction factors for weather, altitude, etc., tire pressures are kept strictly to OEM specs, no lightening of the vehicle allowed, no special fuels, etc. In other words, things are maintained to a constant for comparison's sake.

So mag results are for 100% bumper-to-bumper bone stock vehicles, something you rarely see at the strip. I personally keep my cars in "as delivered" condition (as were my '12 GT, '13 GT, '14 SHO and current '16 GT).

Bottom line is, you can't trust anything you see at the track or on YouTube. Too many variables and too much deception going on.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Forget what you see at the track. The only people who attempt to deceive others more than drag racers are fisherman (expounding on the size of their catch). True.

Modern day mag tests make use of correction factors for weather, altitude, etc., tire pressures are kept strictly to OEM specs, no lightening of the vehicle allowed, no special fuels, etc. In other words, things are maintained to a constant for comparison's sake.

So mag results are for 100% bumper-to-bumper bone stock vehicles, something you rarely see at the strip. I personally keep my cars in "as delivered" condition (as were my '12 GT, '13 GT, '14 SHO and current '16 GT).

Bottom line is, you can't trust anything you see at the track or on YouTube. Too many variables and too much deception going on.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::doh:...that 2nd paragraph though....

 

[16 GT MM/Auto]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::doh:...that 2nd paragraph though....

:headbonk::headbonk::headbonk::headbonk: ...nothing's more hilarious than reading comments that are of little to no value....

 

[Seceda91]

I took my car to the track when it was new. It had 500 miles on the clock bone stock. It ran a 12.7 on a 90 degree humid day in August. The DA correction was a 12.4ish. I've seen Camaros run 12.4 stock in the same conditions without the DA correction. They are faster stock. A tune levels the playing field. And once mods are added the Mustang has absolutely no problem winning. A quick look at our fast list and there fast list tells the tale. I've yet to lose to a 6th gen Camaro in my bolt on Mustang. And I'm at the track more than most on this sight.

That's awesome man. Of all the people of post about racing there are only a few that actually goes to the track and tell it like it is. I saw your video and your mod list, makes me want to get an auto! But it's okay, I like the manual and I won't be racing it anytime soon.

12.7 stock is better than ALL the mags for the 5.0. Well, most of them if not all always use the the Performance Pack and I think 12.9 is the highest with the PP. I test drove the PP, love it and the 3.73 gears is FUN!

Camaro's are cool cars.. not really my cup of tea since I always wanted a Mustang. Just want a fun car so I don't care if they are faster.. as long as the V6 and turbo 4 guys (especially the 370z, Euros they talk alot) aren't beating me without heavy mods I'm good.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

:headbonk::headbonk::headbonk::headbonk: ...nothing's more hilarious than reading comments that are of little to no value....

Just like your second paragraph.

You should educate yourself on the magazine testing that happens. Like running 87 octane in one car and 93 in the competitors car during their test. Tuning the chassis or coming back with a different tune on a car, etc. The list goes on...best of luck in your magazine racing, I am sure you will enjoy it.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Just like your second paragraph.

You should educate yourself on the magazine testing that happens. Like running 87 octane in one car and 93 in the competitors car during their test. Tuning the chassis or coming back with a different tune on a car, etc. The list goes on...best of luck in your magazine racing, I am sure you will enjoy it.

Magazine racing must be fun. You can even do it while taking a dump. Talk about time management.:tsk:

 

[PJR202]

OK this is more in line with what I was thinking.

Didn't the SS claim an 11.9 in the 1/4 in magazine testing though? I gotta go look at the C6 page.

 

[kz]

Take the SCCA or NASA for example. In the SCCA ProSolo, Camaro competes in F Street and it is the Camaro's best class. There is less than 0.25 seconds between the Boss 302 (non-Laguna Seca), 5th Gen 1LE, '16 SS and '15 GT at any given configuration.

All cars are permitted equal rubber and 275's all around... still, the advantage between the 5 including the E92 M3 is nonexistent. There is a test conducted by the SCCA, posted on Google, that shows a fully loaded, GTPP Premium was 0.20 behind the 2015 World Champions, championship 1Le. Stock, right off the lot GTPP Premium vs. a prepped, championship winning 1Le.

The test was performed by private parties on during '15 Nationals in Lincoln and not SCCA. It showed Mustang being slowest and small time differences are very typical and actually not small on autocross course that in this case was ~30-40 sec long. You should really research a little before quoting those results...
Street classes require maintaining stock wheel width, tires are whatever people can squeeze on. Until very recently, 1LE - which could fit significantly wider tire than anybody else, was limited by availability of Bridgestones RE-71R which everybody uses (widest 19" tire was 285). Now there's 305 available that doubt anybody could squeeze on 9.5" PP rear wheel.

In Wilmington Championship Tour earlies this year, '16 SS took first four spots in FS beating everybody else (few Mustangs and Boss 302) by wide margin, one of SS was automatic by the way. This is all autocross though, question was about drag strip.

If anybody thinks '16SS stock vs. stock is not faster than Mustang, than he lives in world of pure fantasy - like our buddy Pill. The question is - why the hell anybody cares ?

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Magazine racing must be fun. You can even do it while taking a dump. Talk about time management.:tsk:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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