Limp Mode on the Track

[montreal ponies]

After almost 500 posts on this subject it is most comical to see many of the same posters ranting and raving about heat soak issues with their Tech Pack cars with the majority of their GT350's having never even seen a track so far and probably never will.

:headbonk::headbonk:

If you find it comical, well i'm good with that. But i don't find it comical that my base car cannot do a 20 minute track session like i did with my perfectly fine GT PP last summer.
And yes it will see some track duty here and there.

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[Caballus]

Did I miss something from not reading all 26 pages? Are Track Pack cars having heat problems at the track too?

You missed a lot.

 

[Caballus]

And who exactly set these expectations or stated any of the above? The only thing ever actually stated/put into words is add coolers for track use in the manual. There were no promises for run time without them, there was a rumored 15-20minute quote by FP engineers at the track tour, but now folks have interpreted that to mean 20-30 minutes.

And even with coolers, as I mentioned above, im not sure too many 500hp+ street cars can last for 30minute+ sessions. :shrug:. Unfortunately expectations and reality don't always align.

Expectations in this instance align with the marketing campaign that built them.

 

[stanglife]

You missed a lot.

Kinda. He missed a lot of us arguing the same thing over and over

I think I can say that the jury is out until we get some more data.

 

[Caballus]

Kinda. He missed a lot of us arguing the same thing over and over

I think I can say that the jury is out until we get some more data.

"we" as in those with tech packs who have something invested?

 

[stanglife]

"we" as in those with tech packs who have something invested?

Wow man. No, we as in enthusiasts and those willing to help out...as I stated in PM, as you agreed that the help would be appreciated.

You're over the top man - I give up, which is what I think you were after to begin with - annoy the hell out of people until they agree with you or let you rant all alone. I don't know what your problem is but you're unbearable.

 

[lemers]

Some people aren't getting the problem I have.

I had a Nissan 370Z. It had a known oil heating problem. Nissan added oil coolers to later models. When I looked into getting the factory produced oil cooler for mine, Nissan directly said that it would potentially void my manufactures warranty.

I knew most of my driving was going to be off the track, I never saw in anything ford stated about this car that track duty was exclusive to the track package.

I would not be concerned if a track package was faster or could run longer, if the base tech could complete the minimum 20 sessions that enthusiasts run on the track.


2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

 

[stanglife]

Some people aren't getting the problem I have.

I had a Nissan 370Z. It had a known oil heating problem. Nissan added oil coolers to later models. When I looked into getting the factory produced oil cooler for mine, Nissan directly said that it would potentially void my manufactures warranty.

I knew most of my driving was going to be off the track, I never saw in anything ford stated about this car that track duty was exclusive to the track package.

I would not be concerned if a track package was faster or could run longer, if the base tech could complete the minimum 20 sessions that enthusiasts run on the track.


2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

I would hope that if FP does offer an upgrade for this, it will be OEM style and not void any warranties. They have previously offered complete supercharger kits, that when installed by your Ford dealer, did not void the warranty - so I'd hope a cooling package would be the same way.

 

[jlwdvm]

I would hope that if FP does offer an upgrade for this, it will be OEM style and no void any warranties. They have previously offered complete supercharger kits, that when installed by your Ford dealer, did not void the warranty - so I'd hope a cooling package would be the same way.

And wouldn't they would have to prove that the add-on part (in this case the oil cooler) had caused the problem that the car was taken in for? Example: If the motor blows up from normal use and during inspection they notice an aftermarket trans cooler they can't automatically just blame it on the cooler and void the warranty. A tune in the ECU might be a different story.

 

[Hack]

After almost 500 posts on this subject it is most comical to see many of the same posters ranting and raving about heat soak issues with their Tech Pack cars with the majority of their GT350's having never even seen a track so far and probably never will.

:headbonk::headbonk:

I guess those of us who you are assuming are in the minority should just pound sand then, huh? :tsk:

There would only be a few posts in this thread if all the track pack owners weren't out to get the tech pack owners. I'm actually very surprised to see you piling on here.

 

[stoli]

And wouldn't they would have to prove that the add-on part (in this case the oil cooler) had caused the problem that the car was taken in for? Example: If the motor blows up from normal use and during inspection they notice an aftermarket trans cooler they can't automatically just blame it on the cooler and void the warranty. A tune in the ECU might be a different story.

They absolutely could and would if it was an oil issue. There's no requirement for them to prove anything other than you altered the oiling system. The burden then shifts to the consumer to prove the alteration did not contribute to the failure.

 

[PP0001]

If you find it comical, well i'm good with that. But i don't find it comical that my base car cannot do a 20 minute track session like i did with my perfectly fine GT PP last summer.
And yes it will see some track duty here and there.

With all due respect it is my understanding that your car is not even built and yet you already are telling everyone that your car cannot do a 20 minute track session without having overheating issues?

Are you suggesting that your track configuration and conditions in Quebec are that same as a track in Arizona or California. Obviously some tracks are a lot more punishing than others which certainly has a big effect on operating temperatures so comparing your track in Quebec to a track down here is difficult to do.

Another big factor is the ambient temperature at any given track and I would suggest that the track temperature in Quebec is vastly different than that of any tracks in Arizona, Nevada, Utah or California therefore vastly different operating temperatures on our cars.

Is your driving manner as aggressive as many of the very experienced drivers on this forum? Operating temperatures rise dramatically when in the hands of a very experienced and aggressive driver so this is another important variable.

Having lived in both Quebec and the South there is a big difference in operating temperatures for our high performance cars and I am sure that you can appreciate that.

If you have already received your car and have taken it through it's paces at a track and have overheating issues then I apologize otherwise I suggest that before you make any assumptions about heat soak issues take delivery of your GT350 get your engine broken in then take your car to a track as see what it does and then provide us with some real feedback and not just assumptions?

:cheers:

 

[lemers]

I saw that the stage 1 supercharger kits had some kind of warranty. I never found out if it covered the kit or damage caused by the kit.

As far as proving an aftermarket part caused the damage goes. We all know how that works out. Something goes wrong in the engine. The dealer sees you have an oil cooler. It's not hard for someone with more mechanical background then me saying the damage was caused by the cooler and not covered.

I now have a choice pay for the repairs myself or take the manufacturer to court to have it covered by warranty.

The manufacturer can wait me out for as long as it takes.

I would take ford at their word if it doesn't affect the original warranty, but unless they specifically say that then I will operate as whatever coolers ford comes up with will void the warranty.




2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

 

[Hack]

If you have already received your car and have taken it through it's paces at a track and have overheating issues then I apologize otherwise I suggest that before you make any assumptions about heat soak issues take delivery of your GT350 get your engine broken in then take your car to a track as see what it does and then provide us with some real feedback and not just assumptions?

:cheers:

It's already been posted in this thread that Ford Performance is working on a fix, so all the track pack and non-track guys can stop saying that we don't know whether it's a problem yet.

Frankly, I'd rather not put my car into limp mode. Basically limp mode is saying that the car is right on the brink of being damaged. So hopefully you can understand why I'd really rather avoid that. I'd like to install the fix first and THEN go to the track.

 

[PP0001]

I guess those of us who you are assuming are in the minority should just pound sand then, huh? :tsk:

There would only be a few posts in this thread if all the track pack owners weren't out to get the tech pack owners. I'm actually very surprised to see you piling on here.

Not suggesting for anyone to pound salt but just wondering if you have actually tracked your car yet and can give us some real data based on your personal experience or are you using results from others to form your opinion?

I am not piling on but just making an observation based on reading many hundreds of posts that just seem to go on an on and very, very repetitive.

At the end of the day we are all Mustang and Shelby GT350 enthusiasts and for you to suggest that all the track pack owners are out to get the tech pack owners is outrageous.

That statement is really hard to comprehend!

:eyebulge:

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