Limp Mode on the Track

[Hughespj47]

Not sure I agree, Essex Wire. You obviously have a lot of track experience. The Track Pack is for those who want to track the car as factory equipped. None of my previous Mustangs had temp sensors in the trans or diff, let alone hooked into the computer so performance could be retarded before damage occurred. I suspect that many of the cars you refer to didn't have such sensors, etc. The result is damage could have occurred without any immediate signs of damage.

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[Nataphen]

New for 2017 GT350
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44874

Looks like Ford was ready with the answer to all these concerns.

 

[Eric0w]

New for 2017 GT350
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44874

Looks like Ford was ready with the answer to all these concerns.

Not for people who already have the Base or Tech.....

 

[Trackaholic]

New for 2017 GT350
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44874

Looks like Ford was ready with the answer to all these concerns.

Clearly Ford read my earlier post and used almost all my suggestions. Only wish they had done that from the start.

Anyway, the 2017's will be sweet (not that the 2016's aren't already). Hopefully some nice solutions for the 2016 tech packs arrive from the aftermarket.

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[SpursFan]

That looks so legit I'm selling mine for 25k over right now

 

[bdub85]

New for 2017 GT350
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44874

Looks like Ford was ready with the answer to all these concerns.

That is exactly what they should have done from the start. Oh well at least they did it.

The only thing I would have wanted is the Sync 3, but it's not a big deal.

 

[Nataphen]

Not for people who already have the Base or Tech.....

That's a risk of buying a first year car. Their solution is to add coolers for the cars that don't have it. It sucks if it affects someone that wants to keep the warranty 100% safe, but that's why I hate buying first year cars. Ford has not falsely advertised the packages for 2015-2016 though.

 

[Hack]

I think it's insane that anyone would not order the race version ie. (Track Pack or R) and then get upset that their car doesn't stay cool on the track. Why the hell would anyone spend 7 grand on sofa seats and a stereo which will be well out of date in 3 years is beyond me but hey that's just my opinion. Now you're seeing why they have track ready options for these cars - maybe buyers just disregarded that as not needed.

It would be like me bringing my wife's luxury Jaguar to the track and then getting angry that it doesn't also double as a race car. Who would of thought?

You're going to go with "insane", huh? Thanks. I did consider the track pack, but I'm pretty sure the seats won't fit my frame. I know that my regular GT handled the track fine. So I should expect that Ford's most track capable Mustang ever can't be driven on the track? Otherwise I'm insane?

Maybe I should trade for a 1LE this spring.

Not sure I agree, Essex Wire. You obviously have a lot of track experience. The Track Pack is for those who want to track the car as factory equipped. None of my previous Mustangs had temp sensors in the trans or diff, let alone hooked into the computer so performance could be retarded before damage occurred. I suspect that many of the cars you refer to didn't have such sensors, etc. The result is damage could have occurred without any immediate signs of damage.

I do appreciate that Ford has the sensors in the trans and rear diff. If they really didn't expect non-track pack cars to be run on the track, why put sensors in them? This cooling problem on non-track pack cars looks like a mistake to me. Ford needs to make this right.

That's a risk of buying a first year car. Ford has not falsely advertised the packages for 2015-2016 though.

I disagree with both of those statements.

 

[mattlqx]

It had to be trans temp that did it. 230 oil temp is nothing to worry about on track at all, especially with a 5-50 oil in it.

Maybe I just did a lot more reading before I ordered my car but EVERY single thing I had seen about this car said you needed a track pack on the base cars if you were going to do HPDE's with it or a R model.

It says it in the owners manual...not the package you get after the car, but the one that comes with it.

Also the pre-release brochures said it too.

I don't work for Ford, nor have any ties to them...but I don't think they could tell you any more times on what to do if you track the car.

Should they all have the coolers..yeah probably but they don't and they tell you that.

You know what they say...you can lead a horse to water....

To say they were forthcoming would be disingenuous. The materials all said, if you intend to track your car with the Tech package, "differential and transmissions coolers are recommended".

You can interpret that 30 different ways from Sunday. Will it get too hot? What will get too hot? How long will it take roughly to get too hot? Is it just for fluid longevity or is it for thermal shutdown of components?

We now know the answer to these questions, but you sure as hell couldn't get that from Ford's vague statements on it. Was it just to sell people coolers? No, but it could've been marketing fluff.

 

[mattlqx]

It didn't display anything...just when I went to get on it, there was no power there..kind of capped me at 60-80 mph or an rpm range. I was in normal mode the first time it happened (I just forgot to put in sport mode). 2nd and 3rd time I was in Sport mode. I was going to try track mode, but I got squirrely a couple of times also and didn't want to spin out.

Yeah, it's not limp mode. It's just limited RPM operation until trans temperatures come down below 280F. I just tracked mine last weekend and was monitoring temperatures. Differential wasn't a problem at all, also the non-track cars have no sensors at all for diff temp so there's no way it could tell.

If it were limp mode, you'd get all sorts of warning lights. Semantics perhaps and I really would've appreciated them surfacing trans temperature in the virtual display or at least a flashing CEL when the threshold has been reached.

 

[Hack]

No, but it could've been marketing fluff.

Or lawyer-written wiggle words.

 

[gravedgr]

Clearly you've never driven either. I own both. The GT350 is a masterpiece. The 57k price makes it a freak.

I've owned 3 911s. A 996, 997.1 S and 997.2 GTS.

Clearly, you make assumptions about things you know nothing about.

 

[Stuntman]

The C7 Z06 can't do 1-2 laps without going into a boost cutting failsafe from 230*+ water, 300*+ oil, and who knows what the intake air temps are. This isn't the ZR1, but Chevrolets flagship Corvette model that they race and promote as the ultimate track corvette. And it can't even do two laps, let alone a full session.

Magazines and numerous forum posts verify this issue, which is a problem while Ford clearly stated if someone is going to track their car, buy a track pack or R or install coolers in a Tech or base car.

 

[mmm635]

The C7 Z06 can't do 1-2 laps without going into a boost cutting failsafe from 230*+ water, 300*+ oil, and who knows what the intake air temps are. This isn't the ZR1, but Chevrolets flagship Corvette model that they race and promote as the ultimate track corvette. And it can't even do two laps, let alone a full session.

Magazines and numerous forum posts verify this issue, which is a problem while Ford clearly stated if someone is going to track their car, buy a track pack or R or install coolers in a Tech or base car.

I verified that for myself. In fact, I think some of the magazines, which like to aid the bailout monster, were hiding the issue. To be fair, the racing Z06 is quite different than the one built for the street.

I tracked two Z06's, one with Z07 and one without...they both overheated on the second lap of each session.

Bossing seems to have had good luck with his Z06 though.

Navigation and all the electronics were irrelevant to me as this is a track car and should come with the track pack, or the R if possible. I read Ford's disclaimer before I ordered mine and it made sense to me to get the Track Pack.

 

[Bossing]

Overheating issues I have had good luck on not encountering them.... so has Allen and Sean (e.g. snorman9 on yt) which are much more faster & advanced C7 Z06 track rats than me. Sean runs 2:18s consistently at Sebring in his stock Z06 and that is blazingly fast. Although I did recently encountered A/F related DTC's which put me into reduced power... ugh.

Looking forward at least for MY2017, the GT350's will now come with all coolers on board. So even for infrequent track'ers, it'll help the car last a whole HPDE session after session w/o loss of power due to high trans and/or diff temps.

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