Just started the dreaded tick.

[geep81]

It use to tick a lot with 5w-20 until I added ceratec at about 13K miles. Once I switched to 5w-30 around 17K miles and NO ceratec, the engine has been quiet and I hope it stays that way.

I have read people say the effects of Ceratec sticks around after an oil change, at least somewhat. That may be why your tick has not returned.

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[chunter415]

Well you can add one more to the list as today pulling out of the parking garage at work I'm fairly certain I heard it, I thought I heard it a few days ago, then nothing the next day and now today it was there. Weirdly I heard it very faint inside the car with the A/C off, music off and windows up when I was sitting in a parking lot. I have 4900k miles on my 18 GT PP1 A10 and had a dealer oil change (yes they only added 8qt, then I added 2 more) about 800 miles ago and I don't recall noticing it right away after, and certain I hadn't noticed it before the oil change. I'll be taking the car in sometime in the next few weeks for a few small warranty items and I figure I'll mention the tick to get it documented and see if they say anything else. I've been looking into Ceratec and will probably use that, would there be harm in adding it now or should I put new oil in it first?

Now for my rant, I'm with what I believe is most others who have said that this is a problem despite what Ford claims. I waited 1.5 years for my car, including special ordering it and spending 45k on this muscle car. I can get over the cheaper material on the inside or the slight inconsistent gaps in the panels as what I'm paying for is the performance and enjoyment and the engine is the heart of that, and to have this problem show up on a good percent of cars but not all says there is defiantly a problem. I understand Ford may not want to say what is actually causing it as it could truly identify this as a problem, and given the cost this would be as there are a lot of mustangs out there, I understand why they are hesitant. With that said this is my first Ford product after years of Japanese and Europeans and I don't know if I'll buy another Ford, and for me that is hard to say. Besides this issue I'm loving the car and my overall impression of Ford. I've never bought an American car brand before this but Ford was going to be the only one I would even consider as I applaud what they did for the bailout by not taking one and instead using their facilities to raise capital during the recession. It was that simple move that sold me on only considering buying a Ford, because they didn't take the easy way out and did what any other small or medium size company would have to do and holding themselves accountable. To have Ford say this is normal is unacceptable and I do believe at some point Ford will pay for it, either in warranty claims or class action lawsuit, either way I hope my car is okay and I hope Ford steps up and does the right thing for their customers and reputation to stand by their product!

 

[GT Pony]

Well you can add one more to the list as today pulling out of the parking garage at work I'm fairly certain I heard it, I thought I heard it a few days ago, then nothing the next day and now today it was there. Weirdly I heard it very faint inside the car with the A/C off, music off and windows up when I was sitting in a parking lot. I have 4900k miles on my 18 GT PP1 A10 and had a dealer oil change (yes they only added 8qt, then I added 2 more) about 800 miles ago and I don't recall noticing it right away after, and certain I hadn't noticed it before the oil change. I'll be taking the car in sometime in the next few weeks for a few small warranty items and I figure I'll mention the tick to get it documented and see if they say anything else. I've been looking into Ceratec and will probably use that, would there be harm in adding it now or should I put new oil in it first?

If the oil only has 800 miles on it, then I'd add Ceratec now. Oil hardly has been used.

 

[Condor1970]

Have you guys seen this? A guy says he made the tick go away using PUP 5w30, and regular Rislone additive. I used PUP 5w30, and it did not affect the tick, but this guy says when he added Rislone, it went away. Here's the thing. Rislone is basically just a cleansing agent from what I know. It's really good for unclogging lifters and removing sludge from low flow areas. It's not really a serious friction modifier as far as I know. Now, the new Nano Prime Rislone is a friction modifier, but not the regular formula.

I wonder why it worked for him? is it possible the tick is something that is sticking? Like a lifter? heck, I dunno.

 

[GT Pony]

I wonder why it worked for him? is it possible the tick is something that is sticking? Like a lifter? heck, I dunno.

Unlikely on new motors. Besides, the ticking is down low behind the rear wheels, not up at the valve covers. The additive must have changed something like Ceratec and XL-17 does (friction and/or cushioning changed). And as this guys says, it ticked like crazy right after an oil change ... parts aren't going to instantly start sticking with an oil change. BTW, the bottle of Rislone says "reduced friction" on the front of the bottle, you can see it in the video.

 

[Condor1970]

Unlikely on new motors. Besides, the ticking is down low behind the rear wheels, not up at the valve covers. The additive must have changed something like Ceratec and XL-17 does (friction and/or cushioning changed).

Standard Rislone is strictly a strong cleansing agent, and not a friction modifier, nor provides more cushioning. From everything I understand about it, Rislone allows components to run more smoothly, because it cleanses components and removes sludge. Which kind of makes me wonder why a fresh oil change with fresh cleansing agents, would cause ticking noise to increase. Kind of the opposite. Very strange.

 

[GT Pony]

^^^ Says it "Reduced Friction and Wear" right on the bottle. But it does sound like it's more of a cleaner than a lubricant. Regardless, it's changing the oil property slightly in some way that gets rid of the ticking.

https://rislone.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/100QR-SDS-2.pdf

Chemical content:
Phosphorodithioic acid, mixed O,O-bis(1,3-dimethylbutyl and iso-Pr)esters, zinc salts ... Yummy. Less than 1% concentration however, so the rest is "petroluem-based ingredients", whatever exactly they are.

Will be interesting to see if the ticking comes back after the next oil change with no additive put into the oil.

 

[Condor1970]

^^^ Says it "Reduced Friction and Wear" right on the bottle. But it does sound like it's more of a cleaner than a lubricant. Regardless, it's changing the oil property slightly in some way that gets rid of the ticking.

https://rislone.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/100QR-SDS-2.pdf

Chemical content:
Phosphorodithioic acid, mixed O,O-bis(1,3-dimethylbutyl and iso-Pr)esters, zinc salts ... Yummy. Less than 1% concentration however, so the rest is "petroluem-based ingredients", whatever exactly they are.

Will be interesting to see if the ticking comes back after the next oil change with no additive put into the oil.

For all I know, it could be Kerosene that dissolves sludge and thins out the oil for better component operation, including phasers and lifters. With such a low price tag, you never know.

Seriously, for 32oz, costing only $6.00, it could be a bottle of blue lamp oil with a dash of Romulan Ale, for all I know.

 

[GT Pony]

^^^ Well, Motorcraft XL-17 is just carbon black ... like eye make-up. I think Ford stopped making XL-17 because they needed all the production output for factory oil fill additive.

 

[Condor1970]

^^^ Well, Motorcraft XL-17 is just carbon black ... like eye make-up. I think Ford stopped making XL-17 because they needed all the production output for factory oil fill additive.

Proof of that? I wouldn't doubt it.

However, you would think XL-17 would keep it quiet until at least the first oil change. More and more guys claim to get the tick like me at only 500 miles. If that's the case, XL-17 doesn't seem to be too effective.

But this Cera-Kraut salad dressing?....Wow. ....Just WOW!

 

[GT Pony]

Proof of that? I wouldn't doubt it.

However, you would think XL-17 would keep it quiet until at least the first oil change. More and more guys claim to get the tick like me at only 500 miles. If that's the case, XL-17 doesn't seem to be too effective.

But this Cera-Kraut salad dressing?....Wow. ....Just WOW!

I was being sarcastic. Some salad dressings might actually work - lol.

I think most of the guys who get engine noises after 500~1000 miles are 2018+ which have other things going on too. And obviously, the ones who find metal in the oil and filter got much more going on besides the typewriter tick. Too many noises to distinguish.

I thought of a way to test if it's caused by excessive rod clearance or not, but it would take some involvement with correcting found excessive clearances on a motor that ticked to see if the ticking went away once the rod side clearance was put within spec. It could be done by getting the rod cap off, so would need to pull the pan to get access to all the rods for measurements and modification of clearances.

 

[Condor1970]

I was being sarcastic. Some salad dressings might actually work - lol.

I think most of the guys who get engine noises after 500~1000 miles are 2018+ which have other things going on too. And obviously, the ones who find metal in the oil and filter got much more going on besides the typewriter tick. Too many noises to distinguish.

I thought of a way to test if it's caused by excessive rod clearance or not, but it would take some involvement with correcting found excessive clearances on a motor that ticked to see if the ticking went away once the rod side clearance was put within spec. It could be done by getting the rod cap off, so would need to pull the pan to get access to all the rods for measurements and modification of clearances.

I know. Sarcasm is about all I have left concerning this incessant noise. Well, mine reared its ugly head around 800 miles. I have only found a "few" very tiny specs in the filter. Nothing abnormal at all. It truly is a head scratcher.

 

[GT Pony]

Source: https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-t...learance-imbroglio-clearing-up-the-confusion/

"It’s important to emphasize that this story is not intended as a condemnation of production-rod side clearances or a recommendation to increase this spec. Current clearances are intended to prevent the connecting rods from either being too tight and causing problems as well as to prevent them banging around between the crank cheeks. However, if the situation presents itself where one or two rod journals fall outside the stock side clearance maximum, this is not necessarily a situation that requires investing in new rods.

As an example, if on a small-block Chevy the side clearance on a pair of rods measures 0.023-inch and the stock Chevrolet spec is 0.008- to 0.013-inch, the additional clearance is not something to stress over. While the side clearance is out of spec, no damage will occur as a result unless this is a high-RPM engine where excessive lateral movement could cause problems.

That part in the 2nd paragraph sound like familiar language in SSM 1718?

 

[Condor1970]

Source: https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-t...learance-imbroglio-clearing-up-the-confusion/

"It’s important to emphasize that this story is not intended as a condemnation of production-rod side clearances or a recommendation to increase this spec. Current clearances are intended to prevent the connecting rods from either being too tight and causing problems as well as to prevent them banging around between the crank cheeks. However, if the situation presents itself where one or two rod journals fall outside the stock side clearance maximum, this is not necessarily a situation that requires investing in new rods.

As an example, if on a small-block Chevy the side clearance on a pair of rods measures 0.023-inch and the stock Chevrolet spec is 0.008- to 0.013-inch, the additional clearance is not something to stress over. While the side clearance is out of spec, no damage will occur as a result unless this is a high-RPM engine where excessive lateral movement could cause problems.

That part in the 2nd paragraph sound like familiar language in SSM 1718?

Yeah, but the very last part, "Unless this is a high RPM engine" is exactly what we have. And not just high RPM, but also high compression at 12:1.

You may be right, but I really want to hear that confirmation from Ford. Otherwise, there's no way to truly make it a certainty.

 

[chunter415]

If the oil only has 800 miles on it, then I'd add Ceratec now. Oil hardly has been used.

Thanks, I'll look to add it soon. I have an appointment tomorrow at the dealer to at least get it documented.

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