Introduction Into Boost - Questions about potential setup

[15Oxford5oh]

Hi All,

I've recently been scanning throughout the forum on the daily weighing out my options as I piece together my setup on my quest for boost. Car is nothing out of the ordinary: GEN2 2015 (M6)FBO, E85, Longtubes, blah, blah.. on a tire. Car mainly will be a weekend play car.
I've since Narrowed down my search to an ESS G2 / Upgraded G3 Intercooler/ ID1050X /VMP BAP/ Would like to run 115m pulley (8.5psi pulley)/93 octane. (Until return style fuel system)

My concern is I don't want to kill the car in the first few months as to not being as knowledgeable to boost and the limitations on fueling etc.
I've been looking more into utilizing the Meth Injections Setup as this seems to be a safety net for the potential poor octane the car may come in contact with.
Is it best to just completely save and wait for a return style fuel system, or is 93 octane safe to run without the thought of always utilizing a METH setup or should I really be making it a priority to get a meth kit as well up front? Thanks in advance to the Boost Gurus.

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[Brevin@ESS]

Hi All,

I've recently been scanning throughout the forum on the daily weighing out my options as I piece together my setup on my quest for boost. Car is nothing out of the ordinary: GEN2 2015 (M6)FBO, E85, Longtubes, blah, blah.. on a tire. Car mainly will be a weekend play car.
I've since Narrowed down my search to an ESS G2 / Upgraded G3 Intercooler/ ID1050X /VMP BAP/ Would like to run 115m pulley (8.5psi pulley)/93 octane. (Until return style fuel system)

My concern is I don't want to kill the car in the first few months as to not being as knowledgeable to boost and the limitations on fueling etc.
I've been looking more into utilizing the Meth Injections Setup as this seems to be a safety net for the potential poor octane the car may come in contact with.
Is it best to just completely save and wait for a return style fuel system, or is 93 octane safe to run without the thought of always utilizing a METH setup or should I really be making it a priority to get a meth kit as well up front? Thanks in advance to the Boost Gurus.

Hi,

You will be perfectly safe with that pulley combo on 93. Just use a reputable tuner and you will be just fine. No need for methanol. I would just save that money and use it for the fuel system in the future.

let me know if you have any questions about the kit!

-Brevin

 

[pittzy23]

Pulley swaps on the ESS kit are pretty easy if you wanted to go with a 120 / 125mm while on 93 for that little extra safety net. Under 200 bucks for a pulley / belt setup change (plus tuning that you will need anyway to switch to e85). Like Brevin said, I'm sure the 115mm is perfectly fine on 93 with good tuning if you are set on that. I've just had some not great 93 around me at times and saw a negligible degree of knock on the largest pulley with a similar setup to what you have planned. a little boostane doesnt hurt either.

 

[NavyMAC]

We have to get together sometime as I’m learning as I go as well.
I’m going to start working on setups at the track so I can test without getting in trouble

 

[Jackson1320]

At 8psi your engine will live a long and happy life

 

[15Oxford5oh]

Pulley swaps on the ESS kit are pretty easy if you wanted to go with a 120 / 125mm while on 93 for that little extra safety net. Under 200 bucks for a pulley / belt setup change (plus tuning that you will need anyway to switch to e85). Like Brevin said, I'm sure the 115mm is perfectly fine on 93 with good tuning if you are set on that. I've just had some not great 93 around me at times and saw a negligible degree of knock on the largest pulley with a similar setup to what you have planned. a little boostane doesnt hurt either.

Ok thanks for the info, I may consider going with the 120/125mm pulley until I grab a return style fuel system. How often do you use boostane and is this octane booster safe long term?

 

[15Oxford5oh]

We have to get together sometime as I’m learning as I go as well.
I’m going to start working on setups at the track so I can test without getting in trouble

Yea I'm definitely down for that man, it's forsure a learning curve. OSW is maybe 30 mins from me. I go ever so often, shoot me a PM and we'll link up one day.

 

[15Oxford5oh]

At 8psi your engine will live a long and happy life

What about the maintenance of having a boosted car, I imagine it would be just changing the spark plugs out more often as well as the oil? Also same as when I transition to better fueling system. I'd like to then added a few more pounds of boost maybe 11-12? Still in safe range for E85 and longevity?

 

[andrewtac]

11-12 should still be safe. Any boost can kill though with bad gas, or overheating.

I change the oil at 2500 mile intervals with e85 and boost. Yes, plugs more often as well.

 

[15Oxford5oh]

11-12 should still be safe. Any boost can kill though with bad gas, or overheating.

I change the oil at 2500 mile intervals with e85 and boost. Yes, plugs more often as well.

Thanks for the insight. Is there anything in particular you do to avoid a potential overheating situation other than installing colder thermostat? Or just be cognizant of IATS between pulls? That’s what brought me to the original theory of using meth, for the cooling benefits alone. I know bad gas is just a losing draw of cards, and it just happens.

 

[andrewtac]

Thanks for the insight. Is there anything in particular you do to avoid a potential overheating situation other than installing colder thermostat? Or just be cognizant of IATS between pulls? That’s what brought me to the original theory of using meth, for the cooling benefits alone. I know bad gas is just a losing draw of cards, and it just happens.

No, just don't keep on it for very long pulls. 1/4 runs are fine, but extended longer runs, and back to back in high heat could be an issue. I did put a 170 in, but not needed. It is more about just abusing it to hard. I do hits on mine often, and I am 16-18 psi, even full 1/4 runs. But I don't hot lap it, or do do back to back to back hits on the street. I am beyond what it should do, just respect it but you can definitely still enjoy it.

 

[andrewtac]

No, just don't keep on it for very long pulls. 1/4 runs are fine, but extended longer runs, and back to back in high heat could be an issue. I did put a 170 in, but not needed. It is more about just abusing it to hard. I do hits on mine often, and I am 16-18 psi, even full 1/4 runs. But I don't hot lap it, or do do back to back to back hits on the street. I am beyond what it should do, just respect it but you can definitely still enjoy it.

I do have meth and now nitrous as well for IAT cooling, but I do not have it on always, actually I rarely use it. Yes, watch IATs. That isn't necessarily piston heat but something you can correlate with.

 

[15Oxford5oh]

I do have meth and now nitrous as well for IAT cooling, but I do not have it on always, actually I rarely use it. Yes, watch IATs. That isn't necessarily piston heat but something you can correlate with.

Appreciate that.

 

[NavyMAC]

i know IATs were mentioned, what would be considered high and need to be dealt with on the cooling side? Im not running any type of cooling but I think Meth would be a good safety to have.

 

[Stephen@lethal]

What about the maintenance of having a boosted car, I imagine it would be just changing the spark plugs out more often as well as the oil? Also same as when I transition to better fueling system. I'd like to then added a few more pounds of boost maybe 11-12? Still in safe range for E85 and longevity?

Maintenance on a boosted car isn't as bad as most people think, turbo cars tend to have a little bit more but supercharger setups like you said are really just about making sure the plugs are good to go and if your blower takes oil like the Prochargers do, to make sure they are changed out as well. Other than that there are no main concerns. Once you step up to a full return style fuel system, full E85 would be a great idea to help keep the engine running strong as these cars love E85.

I would say this, if you are just stepping into the world, I would pass on meth, as it can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing in regards to running out of meth and starving the engine. Full e85 will really be all you would need as long as you choose a good efficient blower setup. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to give me a shout anytime. Lethalperformance.com

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