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[Gregs24]

you are a turd, you have no manners

On the basis of what - disagreeing with you and suggesting your president is a clown (a view held by many incidentally)

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[Hack]

My ancestors were fighting against a self appointed dictator rather than a democratically elected government. Are you questioning the democratic legitimacy of the US government ? DT may be a bit of a twit but he was democratically elected.

It is you that is saying bearing arms against the government is acceptable for a reason that you consider worthwhile. So that must mean bearing arms against the government's representatives is acceptable, Police, the Feds, the Army - I don't think that is what you mean - or at least I hope not for your sake !

Hitler's socialist party was elected to power. Or are you talking about someone else?

Hitler was the legitimate leader of Germany.

The same thing could happen anywhere, if people aren't paying attention.

Yes bearing arms against a government is acceptable. The founders of the US even talked about it (the erosion of freedom) and how government would take too much power and freedom would have to be periodically refreshed with the blood of patriots. For instance if the US government started jailing members of an opposing party just for their opposition we are in very dangerous territory. I have seen that certain people can flaunt the law and others have been proclaimed guilty until proven innocent. This is current events here in the US, not 1930s Germany.

 

[Hack]

Potatoe, Potato, he's the freakin' President of the United States. He doesn't recommend anything. He dictates. But he does it by inference. He doesn't really come right out and say anything but everyone knows what he means. The fact that the words come out of his mouth hold meaning for some people who believe whatever he says. When a major American company actually has to issue a press release to tell people not to drink their product, that has to tell you something.

It tells you that the company likes sales and wants to advertise. And no the president is not a dictator. No one believes everything he says. Most people smile and roll their eyes at a good 25% of what comes out of his mouth some days.

 

[Docscurlock]

suggesting your president is a clown (a view held by many incidentally)

On this only, so you agree there are many turds standing right along with you.

I don't listen to what he says most of the time, I look at his actions and he puts America First, for the first time since Reagan. So, I will forgive him his foibles and look to his accomplishments which are many that have helped our country in the face of globalism. I am sure he has a hard job when he is daily faced by a group of non genuine people who look to twist every word he has to say around to make him look stupid.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

He was asking an expert about the possibilities and the Fake News media jumped right on him for suggesting people inject bleach IV. It's like scraps to the dogs and people like you lap it up.

 

[Bikeman315]

I look at his actions and he puts America First, for the first time since Reagan

???? I know that even mentioning a Democrat would send you in a crazed talespin but what about George HW. Bush? I didn't always agree with his politics but he always stood up for America. His son, not so much.

 

[Gregs24]

Hitler's socialist party was elected to power. Or are you talking about someone else?

Hitler was the legitimate leader of Germany.

The same thing could happen anywhere, if people aren't paying attention.

Yes bearing arms against a government is acceptable. The founders of the US even talked about it (the erosion of freedom) and how government would take too much power and freedom would have to be periodically refreshed with the blood of patriots. For instance if the US government started jailing members of an opposing party just for their opposition we are in very dangerous territory. I have seen that certain people can flaunt the law and others have been proclaimed guilty until proven innocent. This is current events here in the US, not 1930s Germany.

If you think Hitler's rise to power was democratic, you really need to brush up on your history. He won an election in the same way Putin wins elections by ensuring there is no opposition !

I think you are in a minority if you think bearing arms against the Police and other such agents of the government is acceptable. Not my idea of a free country.

You are being told to stay inside for your own good not being made a political prisoner.

If it is that bad in the US I suggest you move somewhere better, plenty of happy democratic countries to choose from

 

[Gregs24]

On this only, so you agree there are many turds standing right along with you.

I don't listen to what he says most of the time, I look at his actions and he puts America First, for the first time since Reagan. So, I will forgive him his foibles and look to his accomplishments which are many that have helped our country in the face of globalism. I am sure he has a hard job when he is daily faced by a group of non genuine people who look to twist every word he has to say around to make him look stupid.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

He was asking an expert about the possibilities and the Fake News media jumped right on him for suggesting people inject bleach IV. It's like scraps to the dogs and people like you lap it up.

In that I'm case proud to be a free speaking turd and will continue to irritate you.

 

[Caballus]

"So, although Hitler was not elected by the German people, he still came to power in a legal way."

https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpow...rs-come-to-power-in-a-democracy/#2dc16a647ff7

 

[Hack]

If you think Hitler's rise to power was democratic, you really need to brush up on your history. He won an election in the same way Putin wins elections by ensuring there is no opposition !

I think you are in a minority if you think bearing arms against the Police and other such agents of the government is acceptable. Not my idea of a free country.

You are being told to stay inside for your own good not being made a political prisoner.

If it is that bad in the US I suggest you move somewhere better, plenty of happy democratic countries to choose from

Hitler certainly wasn't a self-appointed dictator as you said. You were completely wrong in saying that and you need to brush up on your history.

You aren't even reading what I say are you? Further, you are entirely unreasonable - even going to the extreme of misrepresenting everything I say no matter how many times I clarify. Maybe reading history wouldn't help you either. I've consistently only said bearing arms against the government makes sense if the government becomes tyrannical. There's just no discussing things with you.

 

[Docscurlock]

???? I know that even mentioning a Democrat would send you in a crazed talespin but what about George HW. Bush? I didn't always agree with his politics but he always stood up for America. His son, not so much.

GHWB was a globalist CIA officer that couldn't be trusted. He in fact was the first President to speak openly about the New World Order. Reagan stood up for America until "they" shot him, then he became quite a bit more moderate. The presidencies of GHWB, Clinton, GWB and Obama were nearly identical.

 

[Gregs24]

Hitler certainly wasn't a self-appointed dictator as you said. You were completely wrong in saying that and you need to brush up on your history.

You aren't even reading what I say are you? Further, you are entirely unreasonable - even going to the extreme of misrepresenting everything I say no matter how many times I clarify. Maybe reading history wouldn't help you either. I've consistently only said bearing arms against the government makes sense if the government becomes tyrannical. There's just no discussing things with you.

OK so let us get it clear. You are now saying bearing arms against a government when it is tyrannical is OK, but earlier in the thread you were defending the right to bear arms against the current US government.

In post 624 you said

That photo of the guys with guns protesting made me feel happy and warm inside. I really like to see American citizens standing up for their rights. It's comforting to know there aren't any black-booted government thugs stepping on the necks of unarmed citizens who can't defend themselves. Or at least, it's not completely easy for them to do that here in America.

Are you trying to say the current governments actions are tyrannical ?

 

[Docscurlock]

OK so let us get it clear. You are now saying bearing arms against a government when it is tyrannical is OK, but earlier in the thread you were defending the right to bear arms against the current US government.

In post 624 you said

That photo of the guys with guns protesting made me feel happy and warm inside. I really like to see American citizens standing up for their rights. It's comforting to know there aren't any black-booted government thugs stepping on the necks of unarmed citizens who can't defend themselves. Or at least, it's not completely easy for them to do that here in America.

Are you trying to say the current governments actions are tyrannical ?

The current government in Michigan has been restricting me form going to my own property for the past 2 weeks, yes, that is tyrancial. Don't worry, we have safeguards in place, with the final one being those guys celebrating their freedom by using their First and second Amendment Rights.

 

[Gregs24]

The current government in Michigan has been restricting me form going to my own property for the past 2 weeks, yes, that is tyrancial. Don't worry, we have safeguards in place, with the final one being those guys celebrating their freedom by using their First and second Amendment Rights.

Wow Do you know what tyrannical means ?

exercising power in a cruel or arbitrary way.

You will be complaining that they are enforcing speed limits next !

I think you need to take a dose of realism pill, it isn't exactly worth shooting somebody over !

 

[Docscurlock]

Wow Do you know what tyrannical means ?

exercising power in a cruel or arbitrary way.

You will be complaining that they are enforcing speed limits next !

I think you need to take a dose of realism pill, it isn't exactly worth shooting somebody over !

I didn't read about anyone getting shot, who is being dramatic now. Not allowing me to travel to my private property (where my mustangs are) is wrong.

 

[Caballus]

Ironically, the average American has not read the Declaration of Independence critically. Nevertheless, the average American's civic values are grounded by the Declaration. Critique the rationality of Americans' foundational beliefs as one will, the Declaration's influence cannot be discounted. It is the timeless bedrock of the American citizenry. Should it be? Irrelevant question, for it is...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Declaration-of-Independence/Text-of-the-Declaration-of-Independence

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