I hate 1st to 2nd Gear

[FIVE_LITER]

Not the clutch per se, the throwout bearing; and on some cars only. On some the pedal doesn't fully return (on mine it does when I had the spring out). This leaves the clutch fork lightly riding the throwout bearing. Won't happen in 7000 miles but it is likely that life will be reduced somewhat. The Steeda spring will fix this concern.

John

I really want to know if this is true or not. The only people I have heard state anything like this is steeda. Are they just trying to sell a product or do they actually have some proof that the clutch pedal not returning all the way can actually cause problems?

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[BmacIL]

I really want to know if this is true or not. The only people I have heard state anything like this is steeda. Are they just trying to sell a product or do they actually have some proof that the clutch pedal not returning all the way can actually cause problems?

It's actually not the throw-out bearing that's the problem, as the pedal by itself doesn't have enough mass to create significant hydraulic pressure. The issue is that if the pedal is sagging too far, it closes off a bleed passage for the clutch fluid that's there for when it gets hot.

OP,
Get the Steeda spring. Clutch feel and 1 to 2 shifts are tremendously improved by removing the spring or replacing it with the Steeda. I had the spring out for ~25,000 miles and just put the Steeda one in last week. No degredation in feel and a little bit lighter pedal than no spring, all while keeping the pedal fully up.

 

[thet33]

It's actually not the throw-out bearing that's the problem, as the pedal by itself doesn't have enough mass to create significant hydraulic pressure. The issue is that if the pedal is sagging too far, it closes off a bleed passage for the clutch fluid that's there for when it gets hot.

OP,
Get the Steeda spring. Clutch feel and 1 to 2 shifts are tremendously improved by removing the spring or replacing it with the Steeda. I had the spring out for ~25,000 miles and just put the Steeda one in last week. No degredation in feel and a little bit lighter pedal than no spring, all while keeping the pedal fully up.

This one?

http://www.steeda.com/steeda-s550-mustang-clutch-spring-assist-35-lb-in-15-16-all-555-7022/

 

[mumbles]

Normal. Mt82 likes 1st to 2nd waaaay early or fairly aggressively with a little clutch feed. It doesn't like it in the middle

^^^ This. Shift at around 2000 or 3500 rpm. Also, I had to adjust my seat position several times to get things where the midpoint of the clutch engagement occurred when my leg was fully extended if that makes sense...

 

[jwhite]

Spring removed will hurt nothing clutch/bearing, nothing. The spring is set on a cam to release when depressed, again similar to a compound bow. One it reaches the top of the cam the spring actually assists in helping depress the clutch,,not rebound it , that's it. It's there to help older customers and mostly women who will drive the car and not want a firm clutch. You can put a Steeda spring in, but your still getting some of that cam over feel, spring gone its again a steady consistent push.

 

[Bartly]

I had he same issue, after a couple months finally switched over to the Steeda spring and it was noticeably better. Then after a couple more months it's all better. Just takes some time and you'll be back to shifting like normal. My previous 4 vehicles were manuals, the GTs clutch definately tools old getting used to for me, but glad I stuck it out.

 

[HISSMAN]

Good to hear others with this issue. I'm 500 miles in on this car and I still bounce from time to time. I just came from a 670 rwhp 2014 GT500, and never had this problem. I feel like I'm learning to drive a manual all over again. It is very touchy. I am not doing it as much as when I first started driving, but it still happens.

Also, I have the steeda spring installed now.. and because of that, I am relearning all over again. It will come to me, but damn! I have been driving high performance manuals my whole life and I have never had this problem.. LOL

 

[BmacIL]

This one?

http://www.steeda.com/steeda-s550-mustang-clutch-spring-assist-35-lb-in-15-16-all-555-7022/

Yep! You can actually put it in easily by hand if you have half decent grip strength (mine is nothing to write home about, and I was able to).

 

[BmacIL]

Spring removed will hurt nothing clutch/bearing, nothing. The spring is set on a cam to release when depressed, again similar to a compound bow. One it reaches the top of the cam the spring actually assists in helping depress the clutch,,not rebound it , that's it. It's there to help older customers and mostly women who will drive the car and not want a firm clutch. You can put a Steeda spring in, but your still getting some of that cam over feel, spring gone its again a steady consistent push.

I'm pretty sensitive to this kind of stuff, and I did not feel the cam-over sensation come back with the Steeda spring. I hated that part about the stock spring. What's nice is that it does make the clutch a little lighter, which is nice in stop-go traffic. I have actually noticed better shifting/launching from myself overall since I put the Steeda spring in, even compared with no spring.

 

[jgedde]

It's actually not the throw-out bearing that's the problem, as the pedal by itself doesn't have enough mass to create significant hydraulic pressure. The issue is that if the pedal is sagging too far, it closes off a bleed passage for the clutch fluid that's there for when it gets hot.

OP,
Get the Steeda spring. Clutch feel and 1 to 2 shifts are tremendously improved by removing the spring or replacing it with the Steeda. I had the spring out for ~25,000 miles and just put the Steeda one in last week. No degredation in feel and a little bit lighter pedal than no spring, all while keeping the pedal fully up.

Now that makes perfect sense! In any case, the Steeda spring fixes this concern.

**EDIT: Upon further thought whether the spring is there or not shouldn't create any worries about this. When the fluid expands and the hole is blocked because the pedal didn't come all the way up, the pressure will take the easiest route: to push the pedal piston back thuis exposing the hole. I now think spring is not needed.**

When my spring was out, the pedal still came all the way up. On another car I've sat in, the pedal did not.

John

 

[fionic]

get the steeda spring. much better than no spring.

 

[BiloxiFun]

Maybe I am just overly aggressive or have the space in traffic here but my shift points from 1st to 2nd are more like 3500 to 4k, and if it is open road sometimes up to 6k. I have no problems, the car just needs that open room to go. I haven't added my steeda spring yet. The clutch pedal releases up high ... once I figured that out shifting is a breeze. But, as others have said, hopefully the steeda spring will help you out.

 

[Trackaholic]

I actually like the stock clutch feel now that I am used to it.

For me, I need to get on the gas in second gear earlier than I normally expect in order to make a smooth shift. Otherwise the engine braking will cause the car to lurch. Once you get recalibrated to the gas pedal modulation I think the shifting gets much smoother. In the Mustang it seems getting on the gas a bit earlier is helpful.

-T

 

[HISSMAN]

I actually like the stock clutch feel now that I am used to it.

For me, I need to get on the gas in second gear earlier than I normally expect in order to make a smooth shift. Otherwise the engine braking will cause the car to lurch. Once you get recalibrated to the gas pedal modulation I think the shifting gets much smoother. In the Mustang it seems getting on the gas a bit earlier is helpful.

-T

I'm going to try that. Where I had to be so delicate with my GT500, I think it caused bad habits.

 

[pinero61]

I replaced my clutch, throw out bearing, and fly wheel.

Now my clutch feel is amazing, and the rpms fall off quickly, so there's 1-2 jerk under relaxed driving.

-Mcleod RST
-Aluminum fly
-Exedy bearing/slave

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