Hybrid S650

[Jimboy2]

Yeah not for me. I would have moved on from the mustang by then anyway.
Hopefully other US marques see the success and bring some RHD cars over

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[v8hgt]

I suspect many on this forum are overestimating their importance to ford. It's a specialist forum hence we users are at the more fanatical end, often modifying our cars and choosing the halo model.
Does anyone know the sales figures and how they break down between engine variants? My betting would be the v8 is responsible for fewer sales than the 4 or 6 pot versions. I would also bet that of all s550's sold most remain bog standard.

To compete globally they have to drop the v8 altogether across the entire car line up. What else is the coyote currently used in now it's been dropped from the trucks? Maybe a run out Lincoln?

My money is on the s550 being the last ford production series home of the coyote and the small block ford v8 with I4 and v6 EB engines taking over in the next model. The GT will be replaced by hybrid I4, and the gt350 replacement will pack a v6 EB hybrid.


Needless to say, I won't be selling the s550

 

[Manders Mustang]

I suspect many on this forum are overestimating their importance to ford. It's a specialist forum hence we users are at the more fanatical end, often modifying our cars and choosing the halo model.
Does anyone know the sales figures and how they break down between engine variants? My betting would be the v8 is responsible for fewer sales than the 4 or 6 pot versions. I would also bet that of all s550's sold most remain bog standard.

To compete globally they have to drop the v8 altogether across the entire car line up. What else is the coyote currently used in now it's been dropped from the trucks? Maybe a run out Lincoln?

My money is on the s550 being the last ford production series home of the coyote and the small block ford v8 with I4 and v6 EB engines taking over in the next model. The GT will be replaced by hybrid I4, and the gt350 replacement will pack a v6 EB hybrid.


Needless to say, I won't be selling the s550

They aint dropping v8 for s650. It'll be their 'new ecoboost' they'll drop the Turbo if anything, or double FI and the Battery.

Eventually it will though, yes, unless they keep it as a homage.

 

[v8hgt]

They aint dropping v8 for s650. It'll be their 'new ecoboost' they'll drop the Turbo if anything, or double FI and the Battery.

Eventually it will though, yes, unless they keep it as a homage.

Wishful thinking methinks. These days no volume manufacturer produces a major assembly such as motor/gearbox/platform for just one model sub variant.

Put it into EU terms. Everyone loves the golf gti right? Ask yourself, Would VAG build a gti that ran a block not used in any other VAG application? And remember a 2litre motor is better for VAG global targets than a 5.0 v8 is for fords emissions quota. What ford NEED is lower emissions, lower build cost, same or greater sales price, more tech to enforce frequent upgrades = more profit + emissions targets met + sales pipeline ensured.

This will be achieved by hybrid tech, alloy shell, similar bhp to now but greater torque. The sync and batteries will enforce a lifespan of < 10 years.

The motor industry has been waiting for a way to replace rust and a 100k mile lifespan for years. Now emissions regs have given them a mandate to use batteries to fill that gap effectively creating a sales pipeline wet dream for the big corps. By not jumping on the bandwagon they are loosing profit to rivals. Don't kid yourself ford like the v8 more than the shareholders like dividends.

 

[Twin Turbo]

The V8 Coyote is still used in the F150 (the Raptor used the old 6.2 V8 and that was replaced with the 3.5 V6 Ecoboost for the '17 Raptor). The Coyote will still be in the F150 for a good few years to come and it will benefit from the port & direct injection that's coming for the '18MY

 

[McDoodle]

I suspect many on this forum are overestimating their importance to ford. It's a specialist forum hence we users are at the more fanatical end, often modifying our cars and choosing the halo model.

^ this .....

By not jumping on the bandwagon they are loosing profit to rivals. Don't kid yourself ford like the v8 more than the shareholders like dividends.

^ .... and this.

Alloy construction would be a welcome upgrade. A twin turbo V6 isn't all bad - how bad-ass is the Nissan GTR, after all? - and if hybrid tech is used for torque in-fill/performance enhancements what's not to like? ..... i just hope we get a go at the GT350R before the inevitable reduction in the number of cylinders happens - that baby would be a keeper for me :clap2:.

 

[SSC]

Don't forget the extra cost, it will prolly be in 45k - 50k mark over here.

 

[slowhand99]

And Flat Rock to be extended

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38497898

 

[v8hgt]

The V8 Coyote is still used in the F150 (the Raptor used the old 6.2 V8 and that was replaced with the 3.5 V6 Ecoboost for the '17 Raptor). The Coyote will still be in the F150 for a good few years to come and it will benefit from the port & direct injection that's coming for the '18MY

I didn't realise the coyote lived on in the f150 after the v6EB. I can't imagine it will persist after the next refresh now that the raptor has shown the way forward though.
DI feels like a cheap to develop stop gap for MY 18 until the MY 20 s650. A bit like a sticking plaster on the titanic.
Don't get me wrong I love the coyote and I would buy one over a more powerful, more efficient hybrid replacement all day long but I accept I'm in a minority that it's no longer profitable for a volume manufacturer to cater for. With the s650 being a complete new model rather than a refresh it gives ford the chance to repackage for the next 6 or so years. My bet is they will take the chance to cut size and therefore weight and package for smaller motors with ev power trains that can be used in other models.. think an add Lincoln / vignale badged 4 door performance saloon to take on Cadillac

 

[goldengooner]

Don't forget the extra cost, it will prolly be in 45k - 50k mark over here.

but it's not coming over here, 1st of all
So I think the V8 will still be sold in Europe, as Ford have sold way more then the ecoboost which has taken them by surprise

 

[hinch]

a hybrid of any description let alone a mustang hybrid appeals to me like shitting in my hands and clapping

 

[dgc333]

I suspect many on this forum are overestimating their importance to ford. It's a specialist forum hence we users are at the more fanatical end, often modifying our cars and choosing the halo model.
Does anyone know the sales figures and how they break down between engine variants? My betting would be the v8 is responsible for fewer sales than the 4 or 6 pot versions. I would also bet that of all s550's sold most remain bog standard.

To compete globally they have to drop the v8 altogether across the entire car line up. What else is the coyote currently used in now it's been dropped from the trucks? Maybe a run out Lincoln?

My money is on the s550 being the last ford production series home of the coyote and the small block ford v8 with I4 and v6 EB engines taking over in the next model. The GT will be replaced by hybrid I4, and the gt350 replacement will pack a v6 EB hybrid.

Needless to say, I won't be selling the s550

They aint dropping v8 for s650. It'll be their 'new ecoboost' they'll drop the Turbo if anything, or double FI and the Battery.

Eventually it will though, yes, unless they keep it as a homage.

Since the intro of the Mustang in 1964 the 4cyl and 6cyl variants have always far out sold the v8 versions which suggests the overall success of the Mustang does not require a v8. I can easily see the 5.0 going away and be replaced by a Ecoboost/Hybrid powertrain that produces the same or more power than the current 5.0.

 

[willisit]

The v8 model isn't going away; as stated here and by Ford themselves, there is no Mustang without a v8 model.

Whether that's coupled with electrics... which I highly doubt, is another thing entirely. Personally, I don't see a hybrid with a manual box, so I'm thinking either by range-extension or a i4/v6 (v6 seems likely given the Lexus and similar models).

The v8 will hang around as a more and more niche model, for WE, the enthusiasts - the money will be made on other models.

Beyond that, I'd be surprised if Europe even gets a sniff of such a car; that said, I'm still surprised we get what we do! ;)

 

[stevec]

The fact is, the V8 could become a thing of the past eventually BUT if coupling a V8 to an electric motor keeps it going, gives better MPG and performance, I would be well up for it.

However I dont reckon that will happen and the V8 will either die or just carry on as it is.

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