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People buy the ecoboost with less horsepower? 🤔. I guess thats the first I’ve heard of people not wanting the more powerful version. I didn’t know that. Either way, buy whatever you like better… it’s going to be the OP’s car not any of ours.
Post #125. OP decided on a GT. Smart man.
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People buy the ecoboost with less horsepower?
the HP benefits of the HPP are very marginal. The $6000 ask is also preposterous.
The turbo nets you about 700 more RPM up top before the power takes a major dive. You can accomplish the same thing with an IC and an Unleased Tuning '93 tune for about $700. The Ford OEM tune for both EB and HPP are "firing squad" worthy, they are so horribly bad.

When driving 'interesting" roads the EB is no more fuel efficient than the GT, in fact it's often worse. The EB fuel efficiency jumps WAY up (at least +10 over GT) only under stead-state interstate driving in 5th/6th gear.
 
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the HP benefits of the HPP are very marginal. The $6000 ask is also preposterous.
The turbo nets you about 700 more RPM up top before the power takes a major dive. You can accomplish the same thing with an IC and an Unleased Tuning '93 tune. The Ford OEM tune for
so a better way better brakes, block, head, cams, suspension, wheels, tires, abs tune. 155mph top speed, and gears isn't worth anything? I agree that brakes and a top speed limiter removal would be super cheap and go a long way... but that ain't the option.
 

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so a better way better brakes, block, head, cams, suspension, wheels, tires, abs tune. 155mph top speed, and gears isn't worth anything?
no. :)
HPP costs Ford rather less than 3 grand, probably more like 2.
Handling Pack is another $1900 now
Ford wheels are shit - heavy and cast.
 

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so a better way better brakes, block, head, cams, suspension, wheels, tires, abs tune. 155mph top speed, and gears isn't worth anything? I agree that brakes and a top speed limiter removal would be super cheap and go a long way... but that ain't the option.
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yeah, i was talking to a buddy today about how ford has a pretty good thing goin

quick and moddable - 27K
quicker and faster in every way - 33k
even better brakes and suspension - 37k
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not as good a handler but way faster - 37K
way faster but better handling and brakes? - 44K
even better handling? - 48K
mach 1 - 56K
mach 1 handling - 60K

I don't really know how people could ask for more options here. Its a buffet ranging from good to awesome with pretty reasonable price jumps for each tier.
 

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How are you guys saying eb gets worst mpg than a gt in any answer and keeping straight face!!’ You just said 5:6 gear on highway.
They should all get 32+mpg. On 87 shit none the less.

Op chose gt and that’s awesome, but I’m concerned about those spouting incorrect info stating eb gets worst mpg.

thsts just wrong
 

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When you DRIVE the eb, the mpg plummets to 19ish or worse. And I use 93 only. Same roads, same hustle, the GT is more efficient. The eb only wins on super cruise
 

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How are you guys saying eb gets worst mpg than a gt in any answer and keeping straight face!!’ You just said 5:6 gear on highway.
They should all get 32+mpg. On 87 shit none the less.

Op chose gt and that’s awesome, but I’m concerned about those spouting incorrect info stating eb gets worst mpg.

thsts just wrong
And honestly old news Donald. EB vs. GT threads have been going on for eight years now. Same arguments, same conclusions.

But also to be honest, if you stay in the boost religiously you’re not getting 30+ MPH. I used to see low to mid 20’s. Now I did see low to mid 30’s On my 75 daily to work which was 80% highway. I also always used 91/93. My car ran like shit on 87.
 

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You are not wrong. I am guessing your GTI was 2010 or newer. VW had a lot of quality issues to deal with, especially electrical. The prioritized making improvements across the board. The difference between a MK4 and 5 are impressive. they continued to do this year over year. The upside was a signifcant improvement in overall quality and refinement. The downside was the refinement was so extreme, it almost eliminated the rawness and bite that was evident in eariler versions. They added a lot of that back into the MK8. Also, not sure what you may have modded on your GTI, but depending on what year yours was, a tune and some suspension tweaks, you could eliminate a lot of the numbness.

As for the Mustang, the S550 also provided some refinement that some will say added numbess and less fun compared to previous models. The end result though, in both the current Mustang and the R is that they are superior in general to previous models. Comparing the Mustang and R is really hard to do as they are quite differnt in what they are meant for. The Mustang is much more meant to be a sports car and the R is meant more for utility. In the end, performance wise they are pretty darn close especially in stock form. Which one you like is up to you though. In my case I like both but for differnt reasons. I don't and would never want to daily my Mustang. Fortunately I don't need a daily driver, but if I did I would choose the R over it as it is in my opinion just better in too many ways for that duty. Also if it were my only car it would magnifiy my choice more. Just my thoughts and I'm sure on this site I would be in the minority and that is ok. :beer::)
Yeah, mine was a 2017. I've heard MK8 adds a bit of the fun back, but it's almost irrelevant until there's actually stock at dealers without absurd markups. I guess that's par for the course for any lower production fun cars right now.

It's not that I didn't like the car per se, it just didn't excite me. Having a V8 under my hood does though, so even though the S550 is heavy and numb in its own ways, the theatre element is off the charts which helps a lot. The Golf pretty much never sounds good no matter what you do to it, although you can make them pretty fast. Most four cylinders unfortunately fall into this category, for me at least. Even if a car is technically impressive in every way, if there isn't some sort of theatre or character added to the mix, it's very easy to just take the entire experience for granted and the fun factor wears off.
 

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And honestly old news Donald. EB vs. GT threads have been going on for eight years now. Same arguments, same conclusions.

But also to be honest, if you stay in the boost religiously you’re not getting 30+ MPH. I used to see low to mid 20’s. Now I did see low to mid 30’s On my 75 daily to work which was 80% highway. I also always used 91/93. My car ran like shit on 87.
I was purely talking highway which is what several members make sound like it wins lol I was like what the fuck are you talking about. im not disagreeing boost can eat fuel mileage. but stomping the car everywhere will still net high 20s and low 30s. it'll still 90% have higher mpg

mpg is all the ecoboost can win in check for check. power, sound etc all goes to GT. but lets give EB the mileage checkmark people! underdog needs something to be proud about

Edit. I do know the HPP estimated MPG looks terribly low compared to regular EB or EB w FPP tune. I bet they richenedit up a quite a bit to prevent detonation is my guess to compensate for that boost and stockintercoooler not being the best. id totally put a new IC in any HPP if I got one

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You know, I can’t believe that EB vs. GT is a thing that even comes up for discussion but it’s an internet forum so I suppose there have to be things to talk about. I said something to this effect in a nicer way a few posts back but as the thread goes on I continue to be astonished.

If they were the same price and had the same costs of ownership, would anybody REALLY choose the EB? Maybe if you were buying a car to compete in a specific class, but come on…
 

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You know, I can’t believe that EB vs. GT is a thing that even comes up for discussion but it’s an internet forum so I suppose there have to be things to talk about. I said something to this effect in a nicer way a few posts back but as the thread goes on I continue to be astonished.

If they were the same price and had the same costs of ownership, would anybody REALLY choose the EB? Maybe if you were buying a car to compete in a specific class, but come on…
actually there is 1 thing I like about the base model ecoboost over GT.

No fender badging etc. I think their should be an option from factory to "stealth" and remove all additional badging/fender badge etc. a lot of gt guys even agreed because I had people asking to trade fenders lol. which as an ecoboost owner, why would I want a fender with holes for the 5.0 badging.

its a clean look.
 

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but stomping the car everywhere will still net high 20s and low 30s.
complete rubbish. Sorry, I don't know what the hell is wrong with your throttle-body but I was lucky to break into 20 when driving the EB "properly".
 

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actually there is 1 thing I like about the base model ecoboost over GT.

No fender badging etc. I think their should be an option from factory to "stealth" and remove all additional badging/fender badge etc. a lot of gt guys even agreed because I had people asking to trade fenders lol. which as an ecoboost owner, why would I want a fender with holes for the 5.0 badging.

its a clean look.
I get what your saying but sacrificing the entire power plant of the car simply cause of some fender badging seems a bit dramatic.
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