Guys, how important is the “Shelby” name to the enjoyment of your car?

[DougS550]

I mean if your current GT350/500 was badged as a “Mach 2“ and didn’t say Shelby anywhere on it, would it still be as special to you as it is? Let’s face it; regardless of what assembly line they went down, who blessed them, what registry they are or aren’t on or any other useless point somebody’s trying to make Shelbys are special. Always have been, always will be.

Please try to examine yourself and be honest. I’m not trying to trick you or pull a gotcha. It’s actually more of a mental health check on myself. My two ‘23 Mach 1s (one manual, one A10) are realistically all I’d ever need or could hope for. I love ‘em. They’re paid for. They‘re beautiful and even stock I’ll admit they’re more capable than I am. But I’m a victim of nearly 60 years of brainwashing and can’t get the Shelby jones off my back.

I guess I’m just shallow. There, I‘ve outed myself.

GT500 guys chime in too. I just didn’t see any reason to clog up two forums.

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[young at heart]

All depends. Would putting a Rolls Royce Hood Emblem On the Hood of your Toyota Corolla make you feel better?

It‘s possible you missed the point.

But I could be wrong.

 

[Tucker80]

All depends. Would putting a Rolls Royce Hood Emblem On the Hood of your Toyota Corolla make you feel better?

why stop with just one extra emblem...

 

[460Fred]

Tell you what….The GT350 was a retirement car for me as we thought we’d retire where we were, So California.
Moved to Wyoming so I sold it to a friend who is a true enthusiast. Makes me feel good they are getting more out of it than I would have.
When I started looking for that special retirement, fun car I stumbled upon the GT350 as I was waiting for the C8 to come out to see if I could fit in it.
I would have cared less what Ford wanted to call it…
My research taught me the GT350 was a very special, amazing car that I could actually fit in, comfortably.
I‘m just not a fanboy of any brand, but I certainly won’t consider “any” brand.
Do I miss the GT350? Sometimes, but not on days like today.

 

[Rimox51]

Ford is a company that actually manufactures cars. Shelby is a brand that tunes cars. Fords and Chryslers.

Maybe the Series 1 was a Shelby (or Oldsmobile) but nobody bought those.

my 16 GT350 the plate frame said “Shelbys Dead this is a Ford GT350”
This comes from a former SAAC member so I am familiar with Shelbys and Mustangs

still a great car.

 

[Strokerswild]

Ford is a company that actually manufactures cars. Shelby is a brand that tunes cars. Fords and Chryslers.

Maybe the Series 1 was a Shelby (or Oldsmobile) but nobody bought those.

my 16 GT350 the plate frame said “Shelbys Dead this is a Ford GT350”
This comes from a former SAAC member so I am familiar with Shelbys and Mustangs

still a great car.

People tend to forget that the original Shelby Mustangs were just ordinary Ford-built Mustangs that Shelby American modified with bolt-ons of the period.

Much like today...

 

[Inthehighdesert]

This is true but a little context is in order. Back then there wasn’t an aftermarket like there is today. They were very much the originators of a lot of the innovations they used. One of the best that comes to mind is the swappable front hub assembly that made such a great scene in F vs F.

People tend to forget that the original Shelby Mustangs were just ordinary Ford-built Mustangs that Shelby American modified with bolt-ons of the period.

Much like today...

 

[LICobra]

I don't even say it's a Shelby, if someone asks me what I drive, all I say is it's a 19' GT350, If there a car person they should know what it is. I bought my car for the obvious looks, motor package, sound and suspension, not just for the Shelby name.
I do get a kick from the guy's at cruise night that say " it's a Shelby GT350 "R" with the Heritage package". and some will also give you the build sequencer number...

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Funny, I get a kick out of that as well. I refer to mine as a 350 and 500. I did get a kick out of an Amazon driver a while back that knew exactly what they were. He was pretty astonished and excited. Was a genuine car guy. Nice to see at his age which I’d guess was mid 20’s max.

I don't even say it's a Shelby, if someone asks me what I drive, all I say is it's a 19' GT350, If there a car person they should know what it is. I bought my car for the obvious looks, motor package, sound and suspension, not just for the Shelby name.
I do get a kick from the guy's at cruise night that say " it's a Shelby GT350 "R" with the Heritage package". and some will also give you the build sequencer number...

 

[308 Cal. Bullitt]

Asking if Ford made 2 identical cars, & 1 has the Shelby name.?? tf?
This is as silly as asking, if you could live on the moon, would you?
Nobody is living on the Moon for very long, because the radiation in space degrades your mitochondria in the bodys cells, at a very rapid rate. Space station residents suffer from this phenomenon. Yet, that's the sort of question your asking when u say 2 identical cars, & 1 has an iconic branding.
The whole point if a Shelby is you cannot buy it in an equally equipped white label version. You do know this, right?

Both of you, (tucker & young at heart) know very little about branding I suspect. Why exactly do you 2 guys think Hank Jr allowed the original Mustang performance program to to be branded as Shelby's, nearly 60 yrs ago? Because those guys at FoMoCo understood marketing. Ford on its own, was, & isn't exactly a racing brand. Did the Edsel scream perf to anyone? Did the Falcon? Pinto? Probe? Taurus? These are Fords.
Shelby's, on the other hand, are Performance Vehicles at the highest level of FoMoCo Engineering. Big difference.

Whyvis itvthat the hidden object is for the Mach 1 to always to be the winner in these silly debates that erupt about ea month by 1 poster? You all need come to reality, & realize the non hp Mach 1 is a Bullitt- & an hp is just a Bullitt, GT350- & GT500 parts bin car. Nuthin more-money grab just exposed.

Which Mach 1 parts are proprietary to anu other car, exactly? Heck, even the Darkhorse is a parts bin car from the S550 era. It also utilizes almost all the money spent from Shelby Development Project.

parts from many of cars that pple here are driving on this board, came from Engineering & manufacturing of previous higher level builds, & then it trickled down to the real- MoneyGrabCars....

Perhaps that would make a more interesting, & certainly a much more realistic conversation. More than whether one of the most iconic American branded Mustangs, from nearly the last 6 decades,
'S H E L B Y', should have been built as a white label generic, to knock off some iconic licensing fees. Which are not as large of a $$$, as the haters hav obviously dreamt up their minds. Ford seemed more concerned with removing glove box lights, to save pennys, than skipping the Shelby branding.

The Shelby GT500 outran the Lambo Hurcan in 1st yr production, on a VLL 4.1 mi closed road race course. Any of you could have ordered, & purchased that car....
Shelby's are 2 of the qwikest track cars in Mustang history. yet, are money grabs?

Creating these hypothetical, & impossible scenarios, (like Ford offering 2 identical cars, & 1 branded w/an iconic/historical name) every month, repacked in a different presentation, is a losing battle gents.

The real money grab is the Mach 1, & now the Darkhorse. They are both built on the Engineering, & unique parts manufacturing overhead of the 2 S550 Shelby's. Heck, even have PP2/Bullitt DNA is in the Mach, if you look.

It's like you guys are jerkin off to Porn in the house, while guys in the neighborhood are peeking thru their curtains. Eyeballin your wife, as she's bent over pullin weeds in your own front yard garden!!

Love your own cars fellas. You got nice Mustangs.
Attempting to create on the Shelby legacy for being on the higher end development scale?? to do what exactly?? Justify your own veh purchases, as the most fiscally sound on the site? The most performance for the least amt of dollars?

Ok. Your cars = smarter $$$ choice. U win!
See ya in the rear view

 

[DarthMalice]

308. Lol. You and some of the other Shelby die hards would do well to not watch a Savage Geese video when they start talking the underbelly/innards of your cars. They have some special Shelby parts for sure but for the most part they are the same "rental" car class as the lowly Mach 1s, GTs, and Ecoboosts that the rest of us are sitting in. And yes, that is the term they use. Rental car class. It is how you get your Lambo beater at the price you do. Although you overpay too. The biggest difference in your car is that bespoke "hand built' engine...cue the heaven opening sound. That hand made engine is marketing at its finest. Ever watch the video on the "hand made" engine? They use some rigs that are probably the same as the shit on the line that a robot might even be using. But because you have a guy take an inordinate amount more time bolting it together and. then sign it, you think it is some kind of engine out of Hogwarts? It is not like the two guys are in the back with damn blacksmith tools hand crafting your block like the sword scene in Conan. I am not a Shelby hater...almost bought a 500 when I got my car. Yes Ford Performance takes more time refining it in development for performance and improving a subset of parts. But it is still a Mustang at its core. A mass produced car that they slapped a badge on and you paid a hefty premium to get-and no-one with an actual Shelby ID card did anything on it. How a Shelby part was so astounding when it is on a GT350/500 but becomes dog shit when they grab it from that "bin" for a Mach 1 or Dark Horse, I don't know but ok. Oh and yes, I know the 500 has the DCT that Ford didn't make but bought (seems that would qualify as out of a bin).

 

[young at heart]

Asking if Ford made 2 identical cars, & 1 has the Shelby name.?? tf?
This is as silly as asking, if you could live on the moon, would you?
Nobody is living on the Moon for very long, because the radiation in space degrades your mitochondria in the bodys cells, at a very rapid rate. Space station residents suffer from this phenomenon. Yet, that's the sort of question your asking when u say 2 identical cars, & 1 has an iconic branding.
The whole point if a Shelby is you cannot buy it in an equally equipped white label version. You do know this, right?

Both of you, (tucker & young at heart) know very little about branding I suspect. Why exactly do you 2 guys think Hank Jr allowed the original Mustang performance program to to be branded as Shelby's, nearly 60 yrs ago? Because those guys at FoMoCo understood marketing. Ford on its own, was, & isn't exactly a racing brand. Did the Edsel scream perf to anyone? Did the Falcon? Pinto? Probe? Taurus? These are Fords.
Shelby's, on the other hand, are Performance Vehicles at the highest level of FoMoCo Engineering. Big difference.

Whyvis itvthat the hidden object is for the Mach 1 to always to be the winner in these silly debates that erupt about ea month by 1 poster? You all need come to reality, & realize the non hp Mach 1 is a Bullitt- & an hp is just a Bullitt, GT350- & GT500 parts bin car. Nuthin more-money grab just exposed.

Which Mach 1 parts are proprietary to anu other car, exactly? Heck, even the Darkhorse is a parts bin car from the S550 era. It also utilizes almost all the money spent from Shelby Development Project.

parts from many of cars that pple here are driving on this board, came from Engineering & manufacturing of previous higher level builds, & then it trickled down to the real- MoneyGrabCars....

Perhaps that would make a more interesting, & certainly a much more realistic conversation. More than whether one of the most iconic American branded Mustangs, from nearly the last 6 decades,
'S H E L B Y', should have been built as a white label generic, to knock off some iconic licensing fees. Which are not as large of a $$$, as the haters hav obviously dreamt up their minds. Ford seemed more concerned with removing glove box lights, to save pennys, than skipping the Shelby branding.

The Shelby GT500 outran the Lambo Hurcan in 1st yr production, on a VLL 4.1 mi closed road race course. Any of you could have ordered, & purchased that car....
Shelby's are 2 of the qwikest track cars in Mustang history. yet, are money grabs?

Creating these hypothetical, & impossible scenarios, (like Ford offering 2 identical cars, & 1 branded w/an iconic/historical name) every month, repacked in a different presentation, is a losing battle gents.

The real money grab is the Mach 1, & now the Darkhorse. They are both built on the Engineering, & unique parts manufacturing overhead of the 2 S550 Shelby's. Heck, even have PP2/Bullitt DNA is in the Mach, if you look.

It's like you guys are jerkin off to Porn in the house, while guys in the neighborhood are peeking thru their curtains. Eyeballin your wife, as she's bent over pullin weeds in your own front yard garden!!

Love your own cars fellas. You got nice Mustangs.
Attempting to create on the Shelby legacy for being on the higher end development scale?? to do what exactly?? Justify your own veh purchases, as the most fiscally sound on the site? The most performance for the least amt of dollars?

Ok. Your cars = smarter $$$ choice. U win!
See ya in the rear view

308, I gotta hand it to you. After trying hard to piece together your actual thoughts through stream of consciousness ramblings, I am left with two conclusions:

First, it seems you believe if the post you don’t like doesn’t actually say exactly what you disagree with then it’s a good idea to just insert stuff that better suits the point you’re attempting to make.

Secondly I’m guessing you subscribe to the theory that the longer a diatribe is the greater is the chance you might actually stumble on a valid point. It’s not working.

 

[accel]

I'd love to have something special un my garage. But I cannot imagine not using it daily.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Sorry, the whole post reads like a hater because that’s exactly what it is. You are completely clueless what Ford Performance did in developing these cars. The idea that things were simply refined demonstrates your lack of knowledge. Where you benefited directly is what got passed down to produce the Mach 1. And that’s great benefit. If you truly want to see what the difference’s are between a Gt for example and a 350 put them side by side, then start going from front to back part to part and you’ll see how many difference’s there are. I have both and its obvious even to an uneducated observer the differences. Put the cars on a rack and it becomes even more evident. And I’ll call complete bs you were in the market for a 500 and decided on a Mach 1. The Mach 1 is a great car , as is the Gt, but neither is in the same sentence as a 500. Nor the 350. It is what it is. I started with 16, modded the suspension, brakes, etc. and had an fi kit sitting on my bench. Went and drove a new 350, and it was in a whole other category to my modded Gt. Wasn’t even a question, it was blatantly obvious in the first half mile. The 500 even more so.

308. Lol. You and some of the other Shelby die hards would do well to not watch a Savage Geese video when they start talking the underbelly/innards of your cars. They have some special Shelby parts for sure but for the most part they are the same "rental" car class as the lowly Mach 1s, GTs, and Ecoboosts that the rest of us are sitting in. And yes, that is the term they use. Rental car class. It is how you get your Lambo beater at the price you do. Although you overpay too. The biggest difference in your car is that bespoke "hand built' engine...cue the heaven opening sound. That hand made engine is marketing at its finest. Ever watch the video on the "hand made" engine? They use some rigs that are probably the same as the shit on the line that a robot might even be using. But because you have a guy take an inordinate amount more time bolting it together and. then sign it, you think it is some kind of engine out of Hogwarts? It is not like the two guys are in the back with damn blacksmith tools hand crafting your block like the sword scene in Conan. I am not a Shelby hater...almost bought a 500 when I got my car. Yes Ford Performance takes more time refining it in development for performance and improving a subset of parts. But it is still a Mustang at its core. A mass produced car that they slapped a badge on and you paid a hefty premium to get-and no-one with an actual Shelby ID card did anything on it. How a Shelby part was so astounding when it is on a GT350/500 but becomes dog shit when they grab it from that "bin" for a Mach 1 or Dark Horse, I don't know but ok. Oh and yes, I know the 500 has the DCT that Ford didn't make but bought (seems that would qualify as out of a bin).

 

[JAJ]

308, I gotta hand it to you. After trying hard to piece together your actual thoughts through stream of consciousness ramblings, I am left with two conclusions:

First, it seems you believe if the post you don’t like doesn’t actually say exactly what you disagree with then it’s a good idea to just insert stuff that better suits the point you’re attempting to make.

Secondly I’m guessing you subscribe to the theory that the longer a diatribe is the greater is the chance you might actually stumble on a valid point. It’s not working.

Given that Ford isn't associated with real racing, I'm sure he thinks that "Formula Ford" is something you put in a bottle and feed to a baby...

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