GTD allocations should be this week

[Bikeman315]

looking at it from a different perspective...

I think we all can agree that there is more time left in the ZR1 especially with a pro driver. I do think having 100s of laps is different than someone who races in Europe and constantly drives the Nürburgring.

Lets say the driver has 600 laps around the ring at 7min per lap. Thats ~8.5 laps in an hour. With a 5 hour working day that's 42.5 laps. To get to 600 at that rate will be just under 14 days. Thats like 10 open track DE weekends. Even pro drivers find time after driving a tack for several years.

Everything up to this point was to just show that I know math and passed algebra even though I didn't make a point.

Now the perspective, Chevy could've put a pro driver like Ford did but instead put their engineers who are great drivers but not the best. That tells me that even the above average driver at your track days can run a sub 7 at the ring and doesnt take pro level experience to do so. You are likely to find the ZR1 driver (Catell) at a National TT event than the GTD driver (Muller).
Buy a ZR1 and drive it with this mentality.

I probably still didnt make a point but i had to get that off my chest. Either way, if Jim Farley himself gave me a $150K discount on the GTD, I would still only be able to purchase the right front strut. Maybe both sides.

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[ZLwhat]

looking at it from a different perspective...

I think we all can agree that there is more time left in the ZR1 especially with a pro driver. I do think having 100s of laps is different than someone who races in Europe and constantly drives the Nürburgring.

Lets say the driver has 600 laps around the ring at 7min per lap. Thats ~8.5 laps in an hour. With a 5 hour working day that's 42.5 laps. To get to 600 at that rate will be just under 14 days. Thats like 10 open track DE weekends. Even pro drivers find time after driving a tack for several years.

Everything up to this point was to just show that I know math and passed algebra even though I didn't make a point.

Now the perspective, Chevy could've put a pro driver like Ford did but instead put their engineers who are great drivers but not the best. That tells me that even the above average driver at your track days can run a sub 7 at the ring and doesnt take pro level experience to do so. You are likely to find the ZR1 driver (Catell) at a National TT event than the GTD driver (Muller).
Buy a ZR1 and drive it with this mentality.

I probably still didnt make a point but i had to get that off my chest. Either way, if Jim Farley himself gave me a $150K discount on the GTD, I would still only be able to purchase the right front strut. Maybe both sides.

Top colors so far:
Vaughn's LFG
Black with Grey center stripe (eddiex youtbe)
White
Jay's blue

Please please please stop with the common sense, those with blue oval glasses don't like that around here.

 

[MAGS1]

looking at it from a different perspective...

I think we all can agree that there is more time left in the ZR1 especially with a pro driver. I do think having 100s of laps is different than someone who races in Europe and constantly drives the Nürburgring.

Lets say the driver has 600 laps around the ring at 7min per lap. Thats ~8.5 laps in an hour. With a 5 hour working day that's 42.5 laps. To get to 600 at that rate will be just under 14 days. Thats like 10 open track DE weekends. Even pro drivers find time after driving a tack for several years.

Everything up to this point was to just show that I know math and passed algebra even though I didn't make a point.

Now the perspective, Chevy could've put a pro driver like Ford did but instead put their engineers who are great drivers but not the best. That tells me that even the above average driver at your track days can run a sub 7 at the ring and doesnt take pro level experience to do so. You are likely to find the ZR1 driver (Catell) at a National TT event than the GTD driver (Muller).
Buy a ZR1 and drive it with this mentality.

I probably still didnt make a point but i had to get that off my chest. Either way, if Jim Farley himself gave me a $150K discount on the GTD, I would still only be able to purchase the right front strut. Maybe both sides.

Top colors so far:
Vaughn's LFG
Black with Grey center stripe (eddiex youtbe)
White
Jay's blue

I’ll add too, the GTD vs Vette battle is good for everyone at the end of the day. While these cars are at a price level that a lot of folks can’t play it, the hope is that some of it filters down to the Mustangs and Vette’s (maybe a revival of the Camaro, again) that most consumers can afford. It may be small things (don’t think you’ll see a DCT transaxle or DRS in a Mustang GT anytime soon) but it may also be something as simple as keeping the car and the V8 alive for another generation or two.

Farley said it in his most recent appearance on Leno’s show with the GTD, a condition of the Ford family hiring him is that the Mustang remains part of the product offering. The Ford family wants Mustang around. I know the GTD was made to go after Porsche (and Europe more broadly) but they now find themselves in a battle with GM and specifically Corvette. 2 totally different types of cars that never really were competitors are now all of a sudden competitors. Competition breeds ingenuity and improvement. Let’s hope it continues as it stands to benefit all of us in some form or fashion.

 

[Epiphany]

A dedicated street car (ZO6) vs a GTD that Ford developed to only be a track car...

 

[Rev Happy]

A dedicated street car (ZO6) vs a GTD that Ford developed to only be a track car is underwhelming to you lol?

A mid engine layout with 670hp+ and almost 700lbs less? Yes.

I think if the ZR1 had the same HP as the GTD, it would be slower around a track. I get it, you don't like expensive Mustangs. To get that chassis to be able to compete with the higher end supercars, it's going to cost money. I don't think the GTD is any less streetable than the ZR1. If you watched the Leno video, he mentions how nice it was driving on the street.

 

[Evolvd]

Please please please stop with the common sense, those with blue oval glasses don't like that around here.

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[Evolvd]

You always have a hard time and try and discredit other people on here when their opinion differs from your own. All you have to do is look at your post history lol.

Please please please stop with the common sense, those with blue oval glasses don't like that around here.

Ah the hypocrisy is astounding…..ly stupid.

 

[Epiphany]

From Chevrolet's website...

The Z06 clearly was not designed for the track at all.

 

[-RAC-]

 

[K4fxd]

Lets get Randy to drive both but add a few hundred pounds to the Vette so they weigh the same.

 

[Epiphany]

I'd prefer the equivalent of 2 Oprah's or 1.5 Rosie O'Donnell's be strapped to the roof to more closely equalize the center of gravity. Merely stuffing either in the trunk just wouldn't be enough.

 

[Jmeo]

I'd prefer the equivalent of 2 Oprah's or 1.5 Rosie O'Donnell's be strapped to the roof to more closely equalize the center of gravity. Merely stuffing either in the trunk just wouldn't be enough.

But a dam good start……………

 

[The Demon]

I'd prefer the equivalent of 2 Oprah's or 1.5 Rosie O'Donnell's be strapped to the roof to more closely equalize the center of gravity. Merely stuffing either in the trunk just wouldn't be enough.

Which Oprah though? The regular size or the super size?

 

[Epiphany]

Mega, old skool.

 

[BigR4444]

To get that chassis to be able to compete with the higher end supercars, it's going to cost money.

I tried to explain exactly this a few pages back...
Using the Mustang as a jumping off point limits what they can do
If you told Multimatic to take a Mustang chassis and take it further; build it to compete with LeMans hypercars around a racetrack; I dont think they could do it. Even with a budget of like $10 million.

This is hyperbole of course, but the point stands. The Mustang isnt as good a platform to start off with as the Corvette. So to engineer that car to the performance level its at now is going to be more expensive, and, as some people around here seem to believe, is more impressive.
Thats not to say that the ZR1x isnt a better car. It absolutely is.

But if they had taken the Mustang chassis, and engineered the GTD to be something better; lower, mid engine, awd, hybrid, etc... If you change it into something thats spectacular, but barely resembles a Mustang anymore; it kind of defeats the whole purpose.
At that point it just becomes a Mustang in name only, and you might as well go all the way and just build a new Ford GT and call it the next gen Ford GT.

Instead, they kept is as "Mustang" as possible. Supercharged V8 in front, rear wheel drive, higher, heavier, etc...
This is counterintuitive to the performance level they were shooting for, but they did it anyway.
That drove up the cost to the absurd price its at. The entire thing is ridiculous, and thats the point.

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