GT500 vs...

[madweazl]

Not thinking an extra 2' of tubing is going to produce "terrible" lag. Representative of something we'd see from the manufacturer, no. Proof of concept, you bet. Supercharger is still a lot cheaper though.

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[mustang_guy]

This does not represent anything that will go into production. The turbos are to far away from the motor in reference to the throttle body and exhaust. Turbo lag would be terrible on the street. Drag race only application.

Thats why i threw money at my screen.

 

[Grimace427]

Ahhh ok.

But still, they built that engine for a reason- and not to sit on a stand.

Yes, for NHRA Cobra Jet competition drag racing but they ditched the idea for a Whipple blown 5.0 CJ engine instead. The engineer who lead the design (Rob Deneweth) passed away unfortunately.

 

[Erik427]

Yes, for NHRA Cobra Jet competition drag racing but they ditched the idea for a Whipple blown 5.0 CJ engine instead. The engineer who lead the design (Rob Deneweth) passed away unfortunately.

.....and the plastic intake is not allowed in many classes when boost is being used. Ford has a "Race what we Build Build" policy. They did not want to commit to a cast or sheet metal intake.

 

[BmacIL]

I could easily see a TTV8 in the GT500 even though the Ford GT is getting a TTV6. The FGT is a much lighter vehicle, with an engine tailored to a specific race series. It will sell based on its heritage, looks, performance and technology. It doesn't compete at all with the Mustang or similar cars.

The GT500 will be competing with the Hellcat, Camaro, maybe Corvette, etc. It will weigh much more than the FGT, and will be much less expensive. For all those reasons it will benefit from a larger, less stressed engine. The Raptor also gets the TTV6, but it is de-tuned significantly from what is in the FGT (I think it makes 450 HP in the Raptor?). That isn't enough for a Mustang GT500, even if it is tuned somewhere between the 450 of the Raptor and ~650 of the FGT. I therefore think the Mustang will definitely have a V8 of some kind. The question for me is, exactly what kind of engine will it have?

I could see:
5.0TT
5.2TT (with cross-plane crank)
5.2TT (with flat plane crank, but pistons designed for low speed and high boost)

4.6TT (with flat plane crank, basically 2X of the 2.3 EB motors)

5.0 S/C
5.2 S/C (with cross-plane crank).

I think going with the 5.2 S/C (with cross-plane crank) is the safe choice. You get the larger displacement/bore/valve area using the PTWA technology, along with the traditional cross-plane V8 rumble. You also have the instant response of the S/C and a similar layout to the competition.

If Ford does a TTV8, there are a couple options. I don't really think they'll make a 4.6 based off the 2.3 EB, but that would be interesting. I do think they'll use PTWA to maximize displacement/bore/valve area, which means it will likely be a 5.2. If they go that route, will they use a cross-plane crank or a flat-plane crank? Flat-plane gives the benefit of even exhaust pulses, which improves turbo performance. With a supercharger you might not care about that and go with a cross-plane setup for the characteristic sound, but for a turbo setup maybe a flat plane makes more sense. Plus, everyone seems to love the GT350 sound, so maybe a flat-plane for the GT500 doesn't sacrifice much there.

So, while the S/C is the traditional choice, I think Ford will end up going with a 5.2 TT V8 with a flat plane crank (if they can get it to fit in the engine bay). That gives them the most efficient power per PSI of boost, allows them to continue with the EB branding, and leverages the Voodoo architecture. I do think they will change the piston and connecting rod design to better handle low RPM and high boost, rather than high RPM with no boost. This also allows them to leverage the excitement of the Voodoo engine and use it to promote their halo Mustang.

They've set the bar high with the Voodoo, so it will be interesting to see how they can raise it even higher.

-T

I'm with you on this.

 

[Strokerswild]

Agreed, but I'd rather see it be TT.

That would go hand in hand with Ford's other EcoBoost fare....

 

[w3rkn]

A GT500 does not need more than 800HP to compete.

It is about the over-all system and package.

 

[Twin Turbo]

A GT500 does not need more than 800HP to compete.

It is about the over-all system and package.

Indeed not.

I hope it'll be a thoroughly modern muscle car though. I was watching a video of the Brabus AMG GT yesterday, and was thinking that is a GREAT example of a modern day muscle car. 600hp + from a twin turbo 4 litre V8 and all the toys in a beautifully built package. I was thinking how good that would be in a Mustang. And, yes, folks, I hope it comes with the option of 2 pedals as well as 3

The GT350 is the perfect track Mustang.

I want GT500 (or whatever it may be called) to be the sort of Mustang to get people out of their AMG Mercs

 

[9secondko]

Indeed not.

I hope it'll be a thoroughly modern muscle car though. I was watching a video of the Brabus AMG GT yesterday, and was thinking that is a GREAT example of a modern day muscle car. 600hp + from a twin turbo 4 litre V8 and all the toys in a beautifully built package. I was thinking how good that would be in a Mustang. And, yes, folks, I hope it comes with the option of 2 pedals as well as 3

The GT350 is the perfect track Mustang.

I want GT500 (or whatever it may be called) to be the sort of Mustang to get people out of their AMG Mercs

Agreed.

However, the gt500 should also decimate the competition in terms of performance.
The gt350 is already the best all around car.

The gt500 should be the fastest of the rocket ships.

No reason why it shouldn't be both quickest in a straight line as well as fastest around a track. With computer controlled susoension, there should be a setting for each as well to maximize take by corners as well as launch.

800+hp would truly set this steed apart. Add AWD so you could could use every bit of that power and boom. There's a new Godzilla in town.

 

[JonEcoyote]

For whatever motor they put in there........ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE AN AUTO AN OPTION!!!!

A8 Hellcats and new Z's are going 10's with ease, the '13-14 GT500 would have went 10's with the 6R80 :(

 

[Erik427]

For whatever motor they put in there........ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE AN AUTO AN OPTION!!!!

A8 Hellcats and new Z's are going 10's with ease, the '13-14 GT500 would have went 10's with the 6R80 :(

True

 

[91z28350]

For whatever motor they put in there........ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE AN AUTO AN OPTION!!!!

A8 Hellcats and new Z's are going 10's with ease, the '13-14 GT500 would have went 10's with the 6R80 :(

Double this. I like drag racing, give me a factory strip monster!

 

[w3rkn]

Ford is about to release it's joint-venture (w/GM) 9-spd & 10spd automatics soon.

Those highly engineered transmissions will set GM & Ford Motors Co up in a good position up against the marketplace.

Any 2017 car can debut with one of these new gearboxes.

 

[Twin Turbo]

Starting with the '17 Super Duty and Raptor, I assume. For the 10-speed, at least.

I'm guessing '18MY for Mustang....?

 

[Vernichtung]

Starting with the '17 Super Duty and Raptor, I assume. For the 10-speed, at least.

I'm guessing '18MY for Mustang....?

The proliferation of the 9- and 10-speed automatics may be running a bit behind the 2017 MY date that was initially rumored. I say that because the 2017 Super Duty literature is littered with six-speed automatic talk.

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