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[Blk2015GT]

I agree.

I'm still thinking based on past hints like the Ford GT used the same engine as the initial GT500, that they will again share an engine- the TT V6.

I just can't see them using a beefy V8 700-800hp V8 (1 or twin turbo) in the GT500 and then their supercar "only" have a 630-some hp V6.

Although, the only issue will be they would need to get the S550 weight down quite a bit to use the TT V6. The GT will only be around 2890 pounds so 630hp is rocket fast. 630hp on 3500-3700 pounds (I assume the TT V6 is a touch lighter an engine than the 5.0) is good but not game changer- not even as good power to weight as the outgoing GT500 which had 662hp and 3900 pounds.

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[Grimace427]

I agree.

I'm still thinking based on past hints like the Ford GT used the same engine as the initial GT500, that they will again share an engine- the TT V6.

I just can't see them using a beefy V8 700-800hp V8 (1 or twin turbo) in the GT500 and then their supercar "only" have a 630-some hp V6.

Although, the only issue will be they would need to get the S550 weight down quite a bit to use the TT V6. The GT will only be around 2890 pounds. 630hp on 3500-3800 pounds is good but not game changer- not even as good power to weight as the outgoing GT500.

I don't think Ford is going to restrict themselves as to what engine they can and should use in various models. I think the GT Supercar and GT500 used similar engines because Ford had a good option available to them at the time. Today Ford built a single-model specific engine(Voodoo) and it seems plausible that they can and will do the same for another special Mustang as well.

The TTV6 is being used in the new Raptor as well.

 

[Blk2015GT]

The TTV6 is being used in the new Raptor as well.

That's the only reason for my guess; it's already going in the other high hp halo cars. I hope I'm wrong of course, nothing like a V8.

I dont think a TT 5.0 is out of the picture though (not the one pictured) either as someone at Ford was caught saying the next halo car would have more hp than a hellcat. CNN article talking about the Hellcat (not a flaky publication): "A Ford spokesman wouldn't comment on its competitors car, but a new Shelby GT500 with, potentially, more power is expected to be revealed some time soon." Way more than the TT V6 puts out.

The Voodoo was a bit different as they wanted a high revving N/A V8 as a track car that no current engine (well when they started the project years ago) would hit.

 

[Trackaholic]

I could easily see a TTV8 in the GT500 even though the Ford GT is getting a TTV6. The FGT is a much lighter vehicle, with an engine tailored to a specific race series. It will sell based on its heritage, looks, performance and technology. It doesn't compete at all with the Mustang or similar cars.

The GT500 will be competing with the Hellcat, Camaro, maybe Corvette, etc. It will weigh much more than the FGT, and will be much less expensive. For all those reasons it will benefit from a larger, less stressed engine. The Raptor also gets the TTV6, but it is de-tuned significantly from what is in the FGT (I think it makes 450 HP in the Raptor?). That isn't enough for a Mustang GT500, even if it is tuned somewhere between the 450 of the Raptor and ~650 of the FGT. I therefore think the Mustang will definitely have a V8 of some kind. The question for me is, exactly what kind of engine will it have?

I could see:
5.0TT
5.2TT (with cross-plane crank)
5.2TT (with flat plane crank, but pistons designed for low speed and high boost)

4.6TT (with flat plane crank, basically 2X of the 2.3 EB motors)

5.0 S/C
5.2 S/C (with cross-plane crank).

I think going with the 5.2 S/C (with cross-plane crank) is the safe choice. You get the larger displacement/bore/valve area using the PTWA technology, along with the traditional cross-plane V8 rumble. You also have the instant response of the S/C and a similar layout to the competition.

If Ford does a TTV8, there are a couple options. I don't really think they'll make a 4.6 based off the 2.3 EB, but that would be interesting. I do think they'll use PTWA to maximize displacement/bore/valve area, which means it will likely be a 5.2. If they go that route, will they use a cross-plane crank or a flat-plane crank? Flat-plane gives the benefit of even exhaust pulses, which improves turbo performance. With a supercharger you might not care about that and go with a cross-plane setup for the characteristic sound, but for a turbo setup maybe a flat plane makes more sense. Plus, everyone seems to love the GT350 sound, so maybe a flat-plane for the GT500 doesn't sacrifice much there.

So, while the S/C is the traditional choice, I think Ford will end up going with a 5.2 TT V8 with a flat plane crank (if they can get it to fit in the engine bay). That gives them the most efficient power per PSI of boost, allows them to continue with the EB branding, and leverages the Voodoo architecture. I do think they will change the piston and connecting rod design to better handle low RPM and high boost, rather than high RPM with no boost. This also allows them to leverage the excitement of the Voodoo engine and use it to promote their halo Mustang.

They've set the bar high with the Voodoo, so it will be interesting to see how they can raise it even higher.

-T

 

[Blk2015GT]

I could easily see a TTV8 in the GT500 even though the Ford GT is getting a TTV6. The FGT is a much lighter vehicle, with an engine tailored to a specific race series. It will sell based on its heritage, looks, performance and technology. It doesn't compete at all with the Mustang or similar cars.

The GT500 will be competing with the Hellcat, Camaro, maybe Corvette, etc. It will weigh much more than the FGT, and will be much less expensive. For all those reasons it will benefit from a larger, less stressed engine. I think it will definitely have a V8 of some kind. The question for me is, exactly what kind of engine will it have?

I could see:
5.0TT
5.2TT (with cross-plane crank)
5.2TT (with flat plane crank, but pistons designed for low speed and boost)

4.6TT (with flat plane crank, basically 2X of the 2.3 EB motors)

5.0 S/C
5.2 S/C (with cross-plane crank).

I think going with the 5.2 S/C (with cross-plane crank) is the safe choice. You get the larger displacement/bore/valve area using the PTWA technology, along with the traditional cross-plane V8 rumble. You also have the instant response of the S/C and the a similar layout to the competition.

If Ford does a TTV8, there are a couple options. I don't really think they'll make a 4.6 based off the 2.3 EB, but that would be interesting. I do think they'll use PTWA to maximize displacement/bore/valve area, which means it will likely be a 5.2. If they go that route, will they use a cross-plane crank or a flat-plane crank? Flat-plane gives the benefit of even exhaust pulses, which improves turbo performance. With a supercharger you might not care about that and go with a cross-plane setup for the characteristic sound, but for a turbo setup maybe a flat plane makes more sense. Plus, everyone seems to love the GT350 sound, so maybe a flat-plane for the GT500 doesn't sacrifice much there.

So, while the S/C is the traditional choice, I think Ford will end up going with a 5.2 TT V8 with a flat plane crank (if they can get it to fit). That gives them the most efficient power per PSI of boost, allows them to continue with the EB marketing, and leverages the Voodoo archtecture. I do think they will change the piston and connecting rod design to better handle low RPM and high boost, rather than high RPM with no boost.

They've set the bar high with the Voodoo, so it will be interesting to see how they can raise it even higher.

-T

Well I personally think that they built that TT 5.0 for a reason, and more than to sit on an engine stand at car shows; and why there have been no other engine combinations leaked or hinted at rolling into 2016 now other than this setup.

We already know the current 5.0 is more than able to handle the high hp of a twin turbo setup that Hellion already produces, and make more hp than a Hellcat.

It would make sense in the equation so far based on that photo of the engine and Ford saying more hp than a hellcat.

 

[Grimace427]

I dont think a TT 5.0 is out of the picture though (not the one pictured) either as someone at Ford was caught saying the next halo car would have more hp than a hellcat. CNN article talking about the Hellcat (not a flaky publication): "A Ford spokesman wouldn't comment on its competitors car, but a new Shelby GT500 with, potentially, more power is expected to be revealed some time soon."

That article was actually debunked. The auther never actually heard a Ford rep saying that, but rather speculated the idea completely then it was "I heard someone say" after that.

 

[Blk2015GT]

That article was actually debunked. The auther never actually heard a Ford rep saying that, but rather speculated the idea completely then it was "I heard someone say" after that.

Ahhh ok.

But still, they built that engine for a reason- and not to sit on a stand. I still see it as the front-runner candidate for the GT500 unless they can get the S550 weight WAY WAY down to make the GT's TT V6 even feasible.

The S550 is a few hundred pounds too heavy in current form for the TTV6 to make sense. Especially when the outgoing GT500 was approx 30-32hp more hp than the TTv6 offer and not much heavier than a base S550 at about 3900 pounds.

I dont see them going down in hp from the prior model with roughly the same weight.

 

[04SloSnake]

Ahhh ok.

But still, they built that engine for a reason- and not to sit on a stand. I still see it as the front-runner candidate for the GT500 unless they can get the S550 weight WAY WAY down to make the GT's TT V6 even feasible.

The S550 is a few hundred pounds too heavy in current form for the TTV6 to make sense. Especially when the outgoing GT500 was approx 30-32hp more hp than the TTv6 offer and not much heavier than a base S550 at about 3900 pounds.

I dont see them going down in hp from the prior model with roughly the same weight.

I think that depends on what their target is. A phenomenally handling 600hp Mustang would compete with the likes of supercars on the track, which seems to be the direction manufactures are leaning. I love canyon carving as much as the next guy but I am not a big fan of these track focused cars. It's a much more expensive hobby then say airstrip attacks or something similar.

 

[91z28350]

Ford seems to be playing heavily (and rightfully so) and the 50 year heritage of the Mustang. Traditionally the 350 was the better handling road course car and the GT500 was the boulevard bruiser/drag strip killer. Hopefully they keep that spirit alive.

 

[9secondko]

I can see a TT VOODOO in the GT500...

 

[mustangletback]

I can see a TT VOODOO in the GT500...

me too,with 800hp:cheers:
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[mustang_guy]

If they reuse a motor out of abother model like they did for the 13-14 trinity...they better not try that shit they did with the 5.4 condor rods and slightly tweak them. The trinity had catastrophic failure with the stock blowet maxed out. It snapped at the weak spot created from tweaking the 5.4 rods. It would eventually snap if you were taking advantage of the 7000rpm ability on thw blower maxed out. Complete bs.

 

[Clink]

Yes sir. :ford:

With a glass roof, custom Recaros, active exhaust, mag ride etc..!!!!

 

[madweazl]

Meh, supercharged 5.0. It's a reliable proven performer that wont cost an arm and leg in R&D. Ford wont put a V6 anything in a flagship Mustang; the fallout from doing so would be worse than VWs dieselgate.

 

[Erik427]

I just don't see them putting a TT V8 into the GT500 while only a TT v6 into the supercar GT that costs 4-5 times more. That just wouldn't make much sense (the other way around would TTV8 in the GT and TTV6 in the GT500).

Also remember the GT500 and Ford GT shared an engine- the 5.4 supercharged; so maybe we will see a TTV6 GT500 afterall.

I still think we wont see the GT500 until 2017 as a 2018 model.

Lets not forget this little gem. TT 5.0 as an option. But I think this may have been more proof of concept then coming to any production car too.

This does not represent anything that will go into production. The turbos are to far away from the motor in reference to the throttle body and exhaust. Turbo lag would be terrible on the street. Drag race only application.

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