GT350 Colors

[mustang_lurkers]

I am planning to get a shelby GT350 in Avalanche gray with a black roof and black stripes. I want the tech package and if the Carbon wheels are great I will try to get a set of them later. If they are not available I will be fine with the Aluminum ones. I am not a collector or track guy so the car is fine for me.

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[f e r]

So did this question ever get answered for certain? Or is avalanche gray really that matte gray? I hope not.

Avalanche will have clear coat. It wont be matte but "solid" (w/o pearls). I love Avalanche. Avalanche w/ red stripes gonna break the badassery meter.

 

[Sered]

I don't know For 80k+ Why not look at a Mercedes, BMW, AUDI, Porshe or GTR or Corvette or CTSV etc,etc,etc and not have to sacrifice losing all those amenities?

First off, calm down.
Secondly, I'll address most of your (non)points:

1) There is no BMW, Audi, or Mercedes competitor to this car.
2) The Porsche competitor to this car is the GT3 (which is around 150k) and doesn't ride as comfortably as you imply. For many, they don't want the maintenance headaches that come with Porsche. And the GT350R has more potential than a GT3 considering how much bigger the engine is and the superior aftermarket for Ford products (especially in engine tuning) vs Porsche. The 991 GT3 also has no manual transmission option, only PDK.
3) The GTR is a 100k car (150k+ for the Nismo), and I'm guessing you've never ridden in or driven one. It's not some glorious daily driver as you portray. It can also be very boring to drive on the track. The GT350 and GT350R both promise a much more raw and pure experience more akin to the 997 GT3. I think there's a lot of merit in that. Someone is always going to be faster than you, so you've got to enjoy your vehicle.
4) Why are you even mentioning the CTS-V? LOL. We're not talking about a M5 or E63 AMG here.
5) This car will murder the C7 Z51. The Z06 will be the only real competitor, and we've seen how well they handle track days so far.
6) You can add the amenities back with an option and still keep everything else. There's a lot to be said for the loss of unsprung weight in the wheels, the beefier suspension, and aero mods that come with the R.

 

[Pablo GT350]

My advice is to not talk to your SO too much about cars. I just tell her my plans and that's it.

You my friend have the right idea

 

[Pablo GT350]

First off, calm down.
Secondly, I'll address most of your (non)points:

1) There is no BMW, Audi, or Mercedes competitor to this car.
2) The Porsche competitor to this car is the GT3 (which is around 150k) and doesn't ride as comfortably as you imply. For many, they don't want the maintenance headaches that come with Porsche. And the GT350R has more potential than a GT3 considering how much bigger the engine is and the superior aftermarket for Ford products (especially in engine tuning) vs Porsche. The 991 GT3 also has no manual transmission option, only PDK.
3) The GTR is a 100k car (150k+ for the Nismo), and I'm guessing you've never ridden in or driven one. It's not some glorious daily driver as you portray. It can also be very boring to drive on the track. The GT350 and GT350R both promise a much more raw and pure experience more akin to the 997 GT3. I think there's a lot of merit in that. Someone is always going to be faster than you, so you've got to enjoy your vehicle.
4) Why are you even mentioning the CTS-V? LOL. We're not talking about a M5 or E63 AMG here.
5) This car will murder the C7 Z51. The Z06 will be the only real competitor, and we've seen how well they handle track days so far.
6) You can add the amenities back with an option and still keep everything else. There's a lot to be said for the loss of unsprung weight in the wheels, the beefier suspension, and aero mods that come with the R.

Well said, excellent points. It's only the badge whore in me that I'm still looking at Porsche (almost)

 

[Bossing]

The new Cayman GT4 can compete.... starts at 85K'ish. But I'm still holding out for the GT350 or the R... which I may add either to replace my Boss.

 

[OppoLock]

First off, calm down.
Secondly, I'll address most of your (non)points:

1) There is no BMW, Audi, or Mercedes competitor to this car.
2) The Porsche competitor to this car is the GT3 (which is around 150k) and doesn't ride as comfortably as you imply. For many, they don't want the maintenance headaches that come with Porsche. And the GT350R has more potential than a GT3 considering how much bigger the engine is and the superior aftermarket for Ford products (especially in engine tuning) vs Porsche. The 991 GT3 also has no manual transmission option, only PDK.
3) The GTR is a 100k car (150k+ for the Nismo), and I'm guessing you've never ridden in or driven one. It's not some glorious daily driver as you portray. It can also be very boring to drive on the track. The GT350 and GT350R both promise a much more raw and pure experience more akin to the 997 GT3. I think there's a lot of merit in that. Someone is always going to be faster than you, so you've got to enjoy your vehicle.
4) Why are you even mentioning the CTS-V? LOL. We're not talking about a M5 or E63 AMG here.
5) This car will murder the C7 Z51. The Z06 will be the only real competitor, and we've seen how well they handle track days so far.
6) You can add the amenities back with an option and still keep everything else. There's a lot to be said for the loss of unsprung weight in the wheels, the beefier suspension, and aero mods that come with the R.

Good points. And if you want a front-engined, RWD car with a 6MT, track ready running gear, a high-revving, N/A V8, your choices are severely limited. You can't really find a directly comparable car for the money.

But if he's throwing out german luxury marques in the first place, I don't think he's exactly in the target demographic to begin with...

 

[Rated R]

But if he's throwing out german luxury marques in the first place, I don't think he's exactly in the target demographic to begin with...

I disagree. I've had many German cars and a few muscle cars also. Perhaps I have a split personality in regard to my choices but the common thread in it all is performance for me, and not what impresses others.

 

[Sered]

The new Cayman GT4 can compete.... starts at 85K'ish. But I'm still holding out for the GT350 or the R... which I may add either to replace my Boss.

No way man. The GT4 is an AWESOME car, no doubt. But no, it's not going to compete with the 350R. It will handle better I'm sure as the Cayman chassis IMO is one of if not the best handling chasses in the world, but it doesn't have the same braking capacity, grip, or power that the 350R will have.

I disagree. I've had many German cars and a few muscle cars also. Perhaps I have a split personality in regard to my choices but the common thread in it all is performance for me, and not what impresses others.

I agree on the split personality thing. But the GT350R will not be a split personality car. The GT350 might be, but I still think it will be more track oriented; definitely not luxury oriented. The only car, in spirit, that really compares to the GT350 in recent memory is the E92 M3. Keep this in mind, because if you haven't noticed; there's going to be a LOT of interested parties coming from the E9X M3 world. The GT350 is definitely on the radar for many old N/A M3 fans.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Hey its just a logic approach from my perspective. When I spend my money and ...dropping the 150k on a GT3...is not an issue...but in this pocket we're talking maybe a Caymen..yada yada. Anyway...When I spend my money I tend to want to get the biggest bang for my buck. That would be a part of an educated purchase. Do your homework and quantify the value in that purchase. What are you getting Vs what you do not get for your money and how does it apply to your desire to have it.... how will what you buy be used.

The GT350 is a performance car that can either be a daily driver or a race car...For most the first part of that would be the first use for it. So it takes a bit of a struggle for a logical thinking person to say yeah I see where the value is in taking all this away and then paying more for it.

Like ordering a pizza with nothing on it and paying for a loaded supreme. Then Being charged more to put the cheese back on it. See where that perspective comes in.

I get that the end result is to make a lighter track fighter.... But inherently to do that you literally pay for them to remove things from the car. Then they put on Carbon wheels...brakes. In fact ...I've seen the Carbon Wheels as an aftermarket product for about 4 years now, so my guess is its a lot cheaper to manufacture a Carbon Fiber one piece wheel derived from mixing in aerospace alloys with Carbon Fiber. The wheels on the GT350R look very similar to the Carbon Revolution CR9 brand of wheels....Which retailed back then for around $15k. But if manufacturing has provided faster high volume streamlined reproduction to meet OEM requests then the costs should have come down considerably since then.

But then... For the price of the GT350... at the projected guess of 53k add 15k for those Carbon Wheels... then you've got a 68k car and a spare set of Aluminum Wheels. Just saying.

The Carbon Brakes... I don't know what they cost... But if its still comes in at twice the cost of 6 piston steelies... then you're in the low 70k-ish range.

So again..just doing the math The GT350R is in theory going to cost me the same as a GT350 with the additional Carbon wheels and brakes. But they don't bill me for removing all the other things. Hmmmm?

Still does not compute. Ya follow me.

IOW...

The GT350 is bar none the bigger bang for your money.

You can flip it to the same spec as a GT350R and have all the parts on hand to reverse the process. Which when you really think about it...is a no brainer.

The GT350R was solely configured as a slap in the face to the Z28 by playing its own game.

But, even the GT350 should stomp a Z28 yet still be a bit more civilized.

Just saying

 

[Trackaholic]

It does seem strange to pull out things like the AC and radio, and then charge extra to add them back in. I think the theory is that the lack of AC and radio is offsetting some of the cost of the other changes. Then, if you want the AC and radio added back in, you need to pay for it.

On the surface it does seem like they are charging you to remove the AC and radio, and then charging you again to add it back in.

However, this strategy is not new or limited to the GT350. Of course the Z28 is the most similar example, but Porsche uses the same strategy in cars like the Cayman R, 911 GT3, etc.

I always want to get the sportiest version of whatever car I'm thinking of, so I would like the GT350R, but I also really want the back seats for my kids, so I'll be happy settling for the GT350. Maybe in orange with black stripes.

-T

 

[Sered]

Anyway...When I spend my money I tend to want to get the biggest bang for my buck. That would be a part of an educated purchase.

You're projecting. I don't think you're the target market for this vehicle. Having been in the BMW world for 4 years now, I can tell you for people with a lot of disposable income, its a very different mindset. The rest of your reply only solidifies this. I realize you don't get it, but your argument is based on bang/buck solely. You need to simply understand the GT350R isn't made for you.

But then... For the price of the GT350... at the projected guess of 53k add 15k for those Carbon Wheels... then you've got a 68k car and a spare set of Aluminum Wheels. Just saying.

That's the base price, not the base with track pack. Carbon brakes for the car will be VERY expensive; probably $7k at least, possibly more. Checkout some of the aftermarket brake kits for Porsche and BMW to get an idea of what you're looking at. These aren't going to be some pepboys crossdrilled rotors and single-piston calipers here. I realize most of you Mustang boys are used to being able to buy cheap parts, but playing with the big boys costs money

The wheels are also very expensive. You might have seen some aftermarket companies selling them for 4 years; but you don't see them putting long term warranties on them or designing them for racing. You still may not find any that fit this car either.

So again..just doing the math The GT350R is in theory going to cost me the same as a GT350 with the additional Carbon wheels and brakes. But they don't bill me for removing all the other things. Hmmmm?

So $15k wheels, $7.5k brakes, and 350lbs of chassis lightening (the A/C, radio, and all that jazz that gets added back doesn't weigh anywhere near that -- implying other chassis lightening). With a warranty and prestige of being a rare car.

Still does not compute. Ya follow me.

I get that you don't get it. Again, this car isn't marketed to you. Again, neither is Porsche.

The GT350 is bar none the bigger bang for your money.

Completely false as we've demonstrated. You save a couple thousand dollars for doing it yourself (and dealing with inferior warranties on non-oem parts that you just modified vs the stock stuff that Ford provides). How is this any different for any car? I can build a Nissan 240SX that would utterly destroy all of these cars we've just talked about for under $20k. Far bigger bang for the buck right? Why buy a GT350 at all when you can make a crappy old Nissan faster? See where this farce is going?

You can flip it to the same spec as a GT350R and have all the parts on hand to reverse the process. Which when you really think about it...is a no brainer.

I'll take a warranty on it all and the prestige of not being a cheapskate plus a supporter of Ford for making such a badass vehicle.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Still...seems more cost effective to Get your GT350 and then strip off the equivalent parts. And Buy the Carbon bits.

It nets you a car as light as the GT350R, but also all the necessities to make it back into a car to live with on a daily basis.

Hence, remove the back seats when you wanna and add them back as needed. The Car is so much stiffer there is no X-brace on the R variant anymore.... so all they did was simply remove the seats.

BTW SERED.

The Wheels seem to actually be the same ones from Carbon Revolution. The CR9 one piece. I just saw a Video where the makers of this wheel were talking about how they pioneered the method to make them cheaper and mass produce them for the OEM Market. They announced in 2014 that they were going to come out with their wheels fitted as OEM wheels on an upcoming vehicle within the next year. Guess what vehicle that was? And Guess what....they also warranty their product and manufacture to meet OEM specifications. The wheels weigh Approximately 15 lbs each. Which is maybe 5 lbs less than a top tier Aluminum Wheel. Their advantage is outer edge stiffness.

And $7k for carbon brakes is about twice the price of top tier steelies. Also safe to say if you're paying that kind of money for aftermarket brakes.... they come with a very good warranty.

Again...You're assuming I wouldn't shop a Porshe or any other luxury vehicle which is a lot for not having met me or knowing anything about me. I could possibly own you with a phone call??? Who knows.

What we do have to work with are the projections given. The base 53k isn't even hinting at what trim level the Car is coming at... A base model could be less than $50k...possibly $49K. Still knowing what we do about the cost of the Wheels and the Brakes....

Logic applied.

The GT350R is not the value between the two variations of the car. It does come with red stripes and a red badge so those with a need for compensating for other shortcomings can feel proud and stand tall.

I simply want a good argument to defend that purchase of a GT350R, because as it is...if I buy one... I should feel like a retard.

 

[Sered]

Still...seems more cost effective to Get your GT350 and then strip off the equivalent parts. And Buy the Carbon bits.

It nets you a car as light as the GT350R, but also all the necessities to make it back into a car to live with on a daily basis.

Hence, remove the back seats when you wanna and add them back as needed. The Car is so much stiffer there is no X-brace on the R variant anymore.... so all they did was simply remove the seats.

Yeah so you add $20k+ in parts and hack apart your car; so you've got a GT350 with lost value and no real warranty because you're a cheapskate when it comes to a $60k car? Doesn't make much sense to me, sorry.

 

[OppoLock]

I disagree. I've had many German cars and a few muscle cars also. Perhaps I have a split personality in regard to my choices but the common thread in it all is performance for me, and not what impresses others.

That's why I hopped into the Mustang camp coming from a BMW. I still don't think the GT350R has a direct competitor unless we're talking about defunct low volume models, like the C63 BS or the E92 M3 GTS.

I don't care what the badge is.

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