GT PP2 Classification

[svtsnake]

Has anyone seen an official SCCA classification for the performance pack 2? Would it be FS for now unless they single out the package to put it in another class like the SS 1LE?

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[dontlifttoshift]

It is very likely that it will be classed with the 1LE and GT350 in AS.

The SEB is looking for member feedback about moving those cars to BS for 2019.

 

[svtsnake]

That's what I am thinking, and I saw the AS to BS in fastrack.
Until it is classed separately, is it legal for FS? The rulebook just says "Mustang GT 2010-2018." I would think this includes all packages unless they list something separate like they do for the Camaro 1LE and GT350.
I have an 18 with magneride, and want to do an option package conversion to a PP2 if it will be FS legal. Since I already have the magneride, it is just springs, swaybars, and splitter. The conversion would allow me to run the wider PP2 wheel specs and the wider tires. The tires being the biggest advantage & reason I want to do it.

 

[dontlifttoshift]

Technically, a PP2 falls into FS until it doesn't. I believe there is a process in place for classing unclassed cars.

Package conversion in this day and age wouldn't be fun. From what I understand, the calibration in both the rack and MagRide is different from PP1 to PP2 and getting those calibrations won't be easy. You have to do the package conversion completely to be legal. At the local level, probably a non issue.

If you want to stay in FS, converting to PP2 is the wrong answer as I don't see the car staying there......or even starting there.

 

[kz]

I believe I saw member of SAC saying classing for PP2 is coming up quickly, probably next Fasttrack. I don't see it being FS unless in the future class gets reorganized. As of now, IMO it's good as it is.

 

[Mountain376]

I believe I saw member of SAC saying classing for PP2 is coming up quickly, probably next Fasttrack. I don't see it being FS unless in the future class gets reorganized. As of now, IMO it's good as it is.

Yup, it looks like it will be going to the class that the 1LE and GT350 are in, which is AS. Hopefully, the cars will be moved to BS. Keep in mind that, although a determination might be made before any national event as to the change proposal, at this point, it wont be considered legal in the eyes of SCCA until 2019. You could run regionally and be totally fine.

But, as said, if you are wanting to do a conversion, it'll be very difficult for a nationally competitive car. You'd need to change the programming/As-Built Data for all the corresponding modules that have different tuning for the PP2 (steering rack, ABS, MRC and then the BCM for any drive modes). You can't just do the hardware.

 

[PRE-Z06]

Do they check the vin at nationals to see how the car was originally optioned or who's going to plug up to the car and check the software parameters?

 

[kz]

Do they check the vin at nationals to see how the car was originally optioned or who's going to plug up to the car and check the software parameters?

You asked entirely wrong question. Would you be happy to win in a non-class legal car ?

No, they do not check the VIN, competitors can file a protest though and you'd be disqualified (and known to autocross world as cheater which IMO is 100 times worse than DSQ).

 

[PRE-Z06]

You asked entirely wrong question. Would you be happy to win in a non-class legal car ?

No, they do not check the VIN, competitors can file a protest though and you'd be disqualified (and known to autocross world as cheater which IMO is 100 times worse than DSQ).

I wouldn't, but I'm also a realist in the fact that there are people out there who are extremely competive and willing to cheat sadly. A question I do have for clarification purposes is if you swapped in recaro seats would that be illegal?

 

[DickR]

It was pointed out on another forum that the current 2018 Mustang GT classing in FS was for the car versions/specs available at the time. Official PP2 specs were not available at that time so the PP2 isn't "really" in FS. Assume it will be classed soon . . . probably in the same class as the 6th gen 1LE.

 

[Mountain376]

Do they check the vin at nationals to see how the car was originally optioned or who's going to plug up to the car and check the software parameters?

No, the way it works in SCCA Solo/Autocross as far as things being audited is that it lies in the hands of your competitors. If one of your competitors thinks or sees something questionable, they can protest and THEN your car will be looked at.

So, in theory, yes, you could do all the mechanical and aesthetic things to make a non-PP2 car a PP2 car and run it nationally with no issues as long as no one raises their hand and says, "Hey, wait a minute there..."

 

[boardkat]

No, the way it works in SCCA Solo/Autocross as far as things being audited is that it lies in the hands of your competitors. If one of your competitors thinks or sees something questionable, they can protest and THEN your car will be looked at.

not always. chief of compliance protested (7) competitors (myself among them) in DS back @ 2009 nats for having a non-compliant air filter element on day 2. no competitors were involved in filing the protest.

So, in theory, yes, you could do all the mechanical and aesthetic things to make a non-PP2 car a PP2 car and run it nationally with no issues as long as no one raises their hand and says, "Hey, wait a minute there..."

which would happen immediately

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