Got embarrased by a Vette

[cosmo]

Our MyCalibrator tune, cai, catback and headers on the GT PP is around 450 WHP...so he is 100% on the mark!

Yeah but, he doesn't have headers, so he isn't at your mark. Also, your mark is suspicious. Your gt dyno'd stock at 395. 395? With typical power train loss, that's 445-450 crank horsepower conservatively. That's quite a stock car. You guys do good work, but have a happy dyno. % gain over stock makes more sense, and is right in line with other tuners.

Either way, he doesn't have the power to go toe to toe with a vette yet.

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[Hack]

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I agree with you in that HP is a great quick reference to over-all power availability and/or capability. But I don't think it tells more of the story than TQ does.

OK, my car makes 1,000 torques and weighs 2,000 pounds. How fast will it be in the quarter mile?

Dude, seriously? Look back at the formula I posted. It says HP ===== (equals or IS) Torque and rpm divided by 5252 (which is why ALL dyno graphs the two cross at 5252 rpm). So you are reiterating what I said then calling me wrong? Go back to sleep.

Yes - I'm 100% serious. 5252 is an arbitrary number/conversion factor. It's not like you multiple torque by it and get more information from that number. What's important is you need RPM and torque to get a value that tells you the amount of work the engine can do per unit time. Horsepower. Torque tells you that you can get to the finish line. Horsepower tells you how quickly you can get there.

 

[w3rkn]

Yes, gearing multiplies torque and gearing is used to manipulate the engines torque to be useful torque and HP at the rear wheels. But if the gearing is perfectly matched to the HP curve of the engine to make full use of the HP, then an engine with a higher HP number will always be the faster car - all other things being equal.

Faster in what..? Top end, 0~62mph, 70-mph ~ 120mph ..? 1/4-mile..? Around a curve..?

The point being, is that TQ is not dismissive and tells more about a car's performance than HP alone. I'd rather know a Car's TQ figure, than it's HP. Because it will tells me how it will be geared and how it drives, relative to knowing HP.



Hack, there is no lecturing here. It is a simple truth how how vs what.

 

[Brent302]

I would like to add a first hand opinion.

I've owned the C7 since november. I may or may not have raced a 2013 Mustang that had Cat back, boss intake and a tune. He stuck to my rear tire like glue. Let's just say I was surprised.

Now only after a few days in owning my S550 I am having more fun then my C7. Why? Because I can actually drive it. The C7 could damn near hit 60 in 1st a pull in 2nd puts you in jail territory. The Mustang I get to row the gears and chirp the tires. While staying within limits. The C7 was one gear change and shutting down.

Did it feel stronger? Yes. By alot? Not really. For minimal money you can match a stock C7.

Plus after market for the C7 is slim to none. Also modding a C7 will cost you more then modding a stang

Side note the throttle response is very exciting in the S550. It's like pulling the trigger of a gun. The C7 never gave me that initial impression until it sucks you into the seats.

 

[cosmo]

Exactly Brent. You can match a c7 eventually, but you won't "beat it hard" with some minimal mods, and that's assuming the c7 doesn't mod anything either.

The s550 is a fantastic car, especially for its price, as is the corvette. The s550 has great power, and much better handling than its predecessor. The gap between the s197 and the c6 was larger than the s550 and c7, but you still can't argue that the c7 comes out on top. I love the mustang, but I'm not ignorant.

 

[SVTFreak]

Brent, one thing the c7 certainly has is the ability to instantly grow your chest hairs in shades of grey to lengths that a turtle neck can't contain.

Did they make you shave your chest and untangle the gold crossed flags necklace from it when you sold it or did they accept it and handle tjemselves?

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[Brent302]

Brent, one thing the c7 certainly has is the ability to instantly grow your chest hairs in shades of grey to lengths that a turtle neck can't contain.

Did they make you shave your chest and untangle the gold crossed flags necklace from it when you sold it or did they accept it and handle tjemselves?

[emoji16]

My hair on my head is currently growing back. Though it was hard letting go of my Hawaiian shirt collection...[emoji531]

 

[GT Pony]

The point being, is that TQ is not dismissive and tells more about a car's performance than HP alone. I'd rather know a Car's TQ figure, than it's HP. Because it will tells me how it will be geared and how it drives, relative to knowing HP.

As mentioned earlier, you need TQ and RPM to have HP. Actually, knowing just the TQ without knowing HP doesn't really tell you a lot. An engine could make 500 ft-lbs of torque and only make 200 HP (ie, a low revving diesel). Is that the engine you'd really want?

To know the whole story, you need to know what the TQ and HP is of an engine. For instance, when I heard the new GT350 was going to be 500 HP with 400 ft-lbs of TQ it told me this is a higher revving engine in order to get that 500 HP.

If an engine was advertised as 500 HP with 500 ft-lbs of TQ then it tells me it's not a real high revving engine and is probably boosted or is a very large displacement N/A engine.

 

[Taneras]

I would like to add a first hand opinion.

I've owned the C7 since november. I may or may not have raced a 2013 Mustang that had Cat back, boss intake and a tune. He stuck to my rear tire like glue. Let's just say I was surprised.

Now only after a few days in owning my S550 I am having more fun then my C7. Why? Because I can actually drive it. The C7 could damn near hit 60 in 1st a pull in 2nd puts you in jail territory. The Mustang I get to row the gears and chirp the tires. While staying within limits. The C7 was one gear change and shutting down.

Did it feel stronger? Yes. By alot? Not really. For minimal money you can match a stock C7.

Plus after market for the C7 is slim to none. Also modding a C7 will cost you more then modding a stang

Side note the throttle response is very exciting in the S550. It's like pulling the trigger of a gun. The C7 never gave me that initial impression until it sucks you into the seats.

J/W, what was the race from and to, like a 50-100 or what?

 

[Brent302]

Not saying this is true or not but if I would 30-150 twice

 

[w3rkn]

As mentioned earlier, you need TQ and RPM to have HP. Actually, knowing just the TQ without knowing HP doesn't really tell you a lot. An engine could make 500 ft-lbs of torque and only make 200 HP (ie, a low revving diesel). Is that the engine you'd really want?

To know the whole story, you need to know what the TQ and HP is of an engine. For instance, when I heard the new GT350 was going to be 500 HP with 400 ft-lbs of TQ it told me this is a higher revving engine in order to get that 500 HP.

If an engine was advertised as 500 HP with 500 ft-lbs of TQ then it tells me it's not a real high revving engine and is probably boosted or is a very large displacement N/A engine.

Yes, we know all this.

We were discussing if you didn't know the whole story and had one static figure to have. In that TQ tells more of the story, than HP.


And yes, if One needs/wants to know more about an engine's characteristics, then a simple dynograph tells the whole story. But HP is a peak number and static, while TQ can have it's peak over a RPM range and not static.

Again, there is no lecturing here, just how vs what.




I think the GT350 and Stingray will be a great rivalry.

 

[phrenetiK]

i REALLY got embarrassed by a vette. my friends z06 this weekend lol.

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[CarFan]

Z06 is just in a different league.. It's a beast if a car. Haven't driven one, but I'm sure I'd rather take a Mustang as a daily.

 

[phrenetiK]

Z06 is just in a different league.. It's a beast if a car. Haven't driven one, but I'm sure I'd rather take a Mustang as a daily.

my friend with the z06 loved my car. i drove his and he drove mine for about 30 minutes. the shear power of his car was awesome, also throwing it into turns was great, but we both preferred the mustang in the end. he had a 2015 on order for 10 weeks, and after still not getting it he cancelled the order and bought the used z06 that day.

 

[Nac79]

Vettes are definitely a great sports car, I owned a C5 Z06 for 13 years. Having a sports car is all about having fun with it. These days, I don't really care if my car is 1/2 second faster in the quarter mile, or 3 seconds faster at the Nurburgring. For me it boils down to if he car looks nice, sounds nice, drives nice and puts a smile on my face whenever I'm behind the wheel.

I think a lot of people buy sports cars to try and impress others ... it should be more about impressing yourself and having fun with the car. I had lots of fun in the Vette, and I'll have lots of fun in the Mustang GT also.

I still have my 2002 ZO6 and love it long time...lol! I had it since 2003 and it doesn't bother me that there are faster ones out there. It will always be faster cars. However, none excite me like the C5 ZO6. It's just so raw! I never been beat by stock mustang. However, I've been beaten my supercharged/NOS 2003 Mach 1. At the end of the day, I don't care. Back then, he went home in his 25ish Mach 1 and I went home in America's first and only true sports car. At $42,000 in 2003, I thought it was a steal!

Why did you sell or trade in yours? Mine has been off for awhile, so just added the S550 to the stable. It's funny reading the comments! I love my S550, but it's a stretch to say it is faster than my C5 ZO6. It's more hilirous to think it can beat a C7. I'm not big on the C7 looks, even the ZO6, but let's be clear! Unless, you are diehard Ford fan, there is no way someone will pick a S550 for track use over a C6 GS, C6 ZO6, C7, or C7 Stringray. If want to argue, performance per dollar, sadly you can get a 02-04 ZO6 for high teens to low 20's and add minor mods and walk the crap out of any S550 GT. I'm not losing any sleep over the S550, and I have one.

Let's just be clear, a S550 is pleasure to drive, but it is not a Corvette. My C5 ZO6 is a go cart compared to my 2015 GT PP.

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