Got embarrased by a Vette

[P4RKER]

No, you wouldn't.


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I'm sorry, I was unaware that you were present for this to be able to speculate. I didn't say my car had his. Clearly a Vette is a much faster car. The kid had no clue how to drive a stick properly.

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[Husker]

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I had my V1 installed on the windshield, it was distracting + not a good look.

Went to the mirror for a cleaner look-->:cheers:

 

[Taneras]

Hell, my M5 outruns the Vettes (not had a Z06 to compare though).
It's not about straight line drags. That's so 'ricer'. These S550's have finally made the Mustang a good road course car where drive skill dwarfs HP and straight line "stop light racer" stuff.

This was done on a public road, the sort of racing you're proposing is infinitely more dangerous than roll racing (which is still dangerous).

 

[Blk2015GT]

The Torque difference is 60 lbft, which gives you the acceleration! Hp comes into account for top speed!

We are talking different classes of car when the price difference is nearly $15k. The base GT350 will still be cheaper than the base C7, so maybe that's a more comparable car. But, I would hope you get more performance from a car with a base price of over $55k versus $32k!!

Again, give me $8-10k, STILL much cheaper than even a base C7, and I can give you a S550 that spanks the C7 all day long. The 5.0 can handle 650hp FI easily stock. Procharger, Beef, etc have all confirmed this. Few sway bar/suspension upgrades and a Procharger and you will spank a C7 at 650hp for maybe $8,000 and some of your time; regardless of the Mustang weighing 400-500 pounds heavier.

My point was for the money the 5.0 S550 is a great performer; you really can't beat it. You can drop money into the Mustang and make it beat cars still 1.5-2x as expensive, even after upgrading, for a few thousand bucks of bolt-ons. Where else can you pick up a car for under $35k rated at 435hp?

 

[oilfieldtrash]

Again, give me $10k, STILL cheaper than the C7 with the S550 price, and I can give you a S550 that spanks the C7 all day long.

We are talking different classes of car when the price difference is easily $15-20k

No offense but you'd still be driving a mustang. Just a modded one. All respect to the great mustang but the c7 is another level of cool altogether.

 

[Chameleon]

Cool neck'ed poster. lol

 

[Blk2015GT]

No offense but you'd still be driving a mustang. Just a modded one. All respect to the great mustang but the c7 is another level of cool altogether.

Of course. I like the C7 and was looking at one before the Mustang. That is my point exactly though, the C7 is a different class of car; and it better be for almost $15k more to get in! I hope it would slightly out-edge a $32k car performance-wise!!

But to the OP topic, if you want to spend comparable money (or even half the price difference) then the S550 can easily outperform a C7 if done correctly. But the C7 wont embarrass a 5.0 by any means. The 5.0 runs high 12's and the C7 low 12's (both stock) as someone pointed out already. It's not exactly a McLaren vs a Toyota earth shattering performance difference here either to be embarrassed about.

 

[HalfMoon]

Of course. I like the C7 and was looking at one before the Mustang. That is my point exactly though, the C7 is a different class of car; and it better be for almost $15k more to get in! I hope it would slightly out-edge a $32k car performance-wise!!

But to the OP topic, if you want to spend comparable money (or even half the price difference) then the S550 can easily outperform a C7 if done correctly. But the C7 wont embarrass a 5.0 by any means. The 5.0 runs high 12's and the C7 low 12's (both stock) as someone pointed out already. It's not exactly a McLaren vs a Toyota earth shattering performance difference here either to be embarrassed about.

Depending on the driver, it can embarrass the 5.0. There are many guys with bone stock C7's pulling mid-low 11's. Google the C7 fast list on Corvette forum for the posts with time slips. The current leaders are 11.37 @ 119.94, 11.37 @ 122.91, 11.49 @ 118.96, etc. There are 9 guys in the bone stock list on the forum in the 11's.

Obviously I can't line up against myself in mine, but I can tell you that my GT PP feels much slower stock to stock. But, as the others that are level-headed here mention, they are different cars that really can't compare to each other. My S550 PP with suspension mods cannot handle corners with anywhere near the finesse of the C7 with the MSRC, and it really shouldn't so I am not surprised.

I wish everyone would be like most of the guys here. When I'm in either of my fun cars I will wave, nod, or "thumbs up" people out in theirs. It's funny though, almost all the younger Mustang guys around my city are dicks. Even in my S550 I get dirty looks from them and in my C7 they usually won't look or send me nasty hand gestures if I try to compliment them. Maybe it's an insecurity with age thing. :shrug:

 

[GT Pony]

Vettes are definitely a great sports car, I owned a C5 Z06 for 13 years. Having a sports car is all about having fun with it. These days, I don't really care if my car is 1/2 second faster in the quarter mile, or 3 seconds faster at the Nurburgring. For me it boils down to if he car looks nice, sounds nice, drives nice and puts a smile on my face whenever I'm behind the wheel.

I think a lot of people buy sports cars to try and impress others ... it should be more about impressing yourself and having fun with the car. I had lots of fun in the Vette, and I'll have lots of fun in the Mustang GT also.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Depending on the driver, it can embarrass the 5.0. There are many guys with bone stock C7's pulling mid-low 11's. Google the C7 fast list on Corvette forum for the posts with time slips. The current leaders are 11.37 @ 119.94, 11.37 @ 122.91, 11.49 @ 118.96, etc. There are 9 guys in the bone stock list on the forum in the 11's.

Obviously I can't line up against myself in mine, but I can tell you that my GT PP feels much slower stock to stock. But, as the others that are level-headed here mention, they are different cars that really can't compare to each other. My S550 PP with suspension mods cannot handle corners with anywhere near the finesse of the C7 with the MSRC, and it really shouldn't so I am not surprised.

I wish everyone would be like most of the guys here. When I'm in either of my fun cars I will wave, nod, or "thumbs up" people out in theirs. It's funny though, almost all the younger Mustang guys around my city are dicks. Even in my S550 I get dirty looks from them and in my C7 they usually won't look or send me nasty hand gestures if I try to compliment them. Maybe it's an insecurity with age thing. :shrug:

I think we're making the same end point generally. It's a different class of car, and a lot more expensive too.

Mustangs just get this bad mantra from the public of being a teenager/childish car to own these days. They definitely are a lot faster and more HP than they had even 10 years ago before and after the S197 refresh. Heck 6 years ago in the 2009 GT it only made 300hp! They've gone up 135hp in 5 years, thats staggering.

I still stand by my point that for anyone so worried about "being beat by the car next to you" to invest a few thousand on a Procharger and you wont have to worry. There wont be much out there that can pull away from 667hp/558 ft lbs. with their basic kit for $5-6k (and the power only goes up from there up to over 1000hp) still much much cheaper than a base C7.

 

[Taneras]

Depending on the driver, it can embarrass the 5.0. There are many guys with bone stock C7's pulling mid-low 11's. Google the C7 fast list on Corvette forum for the posts with time slips. The current leaders are 11.37 @ 119.94, 11.37 @ 122.91, 11.49 @ 118.96, etc. There are 9 guys in the bone stock list on the forum in the 11's.

Obviously I can't line up against myself in mine, but I can tell you that my GT PP feels much slower stock to stock. But, as the others that are level-headed here mention, they are different cars that really can't compare to each other. My S550 PP with suspension mods cannot handle corners with anywhere near the finesse of the C7 with the MSRC, and it really shouldn't so I am not surprised.

I wish everyone would be like most of the guys here. When I'm in either of my fun cars I will wave, nod, or "thumbs up" people out in theirs. It's funny though, almost all the younger Mustang guys around my city are dicks. Even in my S550 I get dirty looks from them and in my C7 they usually won't look or send me nasty hand gestures if I try to compliment them. Maybe it's an insecurity with age thing. :shrug:

For sure man, a fair amount more hp, gobs of tq, and several hundred pounds lighter. It'd embarrass for sure. You're looking at 8 or 9 mph difference in trap speed.

 

[HalfMoon]

I think we're making the same end point generally. It's a different class of car, and a lot more expensive too.

Mustangs just get this bad mantra from the public of being a teenager/childish car to own these days. They definitely are a lot faster and more HP than they had even 10 years ago before and after the S197 refresh. Heck 6 years ago in the 2009 GT it only made 300hp! They've gone up 135hp in 5 years, thats staggering.

I still stand by my point that for anyone so worried about "being beat by the car next to you" to invest a few thousand on a Procharger and you wont have to worry. There wont be much out there that can pull away from 667hp/558 ft lbs. with their basic kit for $5-6k (and the power only goes up from there up to over 1000hp) still much much cheaper than a base C7.

Agreed. Until you get next to a Procharged C7. ;) (I think I'm ordering a kit this week for my C7).

To me the negative image is the "Bros". There are plenty of them in all income brackets, but when the cars get cheaper they flock to them. Lots of "Bros" in C6's now that prices are declining, but when I had mine there weren't too many.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Agreed. Until you get next to a Procharged C7. ;) (I think I'm ordering a kit this week for my C7).

To me the negative image is the "Bros". There are plenty of them in all income brackets, but when the cars get cheaper they flock to them. Lots of "Bros" in C6's now that prices are declining, but when I had mine there weren't too many.

Well I mean dollar for dollar-wise. Procharging the C7 makes it even that much more expensive. Ie. for the same $56k you get a base C7, or procharged S550 plus approx. $5-10k (or more depending if you get a base or premium) in your pocket.

My GT premium was $38k out the door with an auto and 3.55 gears. $6k would get a 650-660hp procharger kit that is bolt-on and the stock engine can handle. Another $1-2k in suspension upgrades, still at $48k. Still less than a base C7, without taxes/fees, by $8k.

 

[Scott in Houston]

This was done on a public road, the sort of racing you're proposing is infinitely more dangerous than roll racing (which is still dangerous).

??

Running on a road course for a track event is more dangerous than your racing on the street?? What are you talking about?

 

[w3rkn]

Vettes are definitely a great sports car, I owned a C5 Z06 for 13 years. Having a sports car is all about having fun with it. These days, I don't really care if my car is 1/2 second faster in the quarter mile, or 3 seconds faster at the Nurburgring. For me it boils down to if he car looks nice, sounds nice, drives nice and puts a smile on my face whenever I'm behind the wheel.

I think a lot of people buy sports cars to try and impress others ... it should be more about impressing yourself and having fun with the car. I had lots of fun in the Vette, and I'll have lots of fun in the Mustang GT also.

This guy^ gets it.

I had a new 1999-00 Z06. The cornering force even at 28mph was visceral and in control. It was so light, agile and perfect form of pedal, steering and engine response.

But the antiquated suspension eventually led me back to BMW. But magneride makes that point moot now. So as the GT350 (& GT350r) enter the arena thing change a tad bit.

Both (GT350 & C7) are fully competent tack, road coarse cars, both within $15,000'ish of each other?


Mustang VS Vette has and will always go on.
And the Mustang predominantly is/will always be the underdog. But the street battle are not about whos cars the best.. as GT Pony said above^. The engagement is just a test, an acknowledgement of the practice.


Glad the OP had fun. But never in traffic.




I wonder how the GT350 will fare against the Corvette on the back strait @ Circuit of the Americas (& can I listen..?). How do they compare with aero Cd and what is the VE of a that 5.2 liter FPC @ 8,250rpms vs that chevy..???

Myself, I think the GT350 w/magneride will offer a better driving experience. I can not wait to see 70~120mph pulls between these two cars. Along with the new M2 coming.

Coincidentally, I want to hear more about whether Ford Performance offers that Track Attack program. Or makes it a clubsport car.


I am waiting.

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