Ford's approach to fixing issues

[accel]

I've been reading AutoX section of the forum and it appears a lot of AutoX folks get Advanced Track Errors during runs.

Tracking guys discusd rear differential overheating issue that results in Dash messages. Hech even one of the YouTube reviews of gt350 at the track stated it overheats, so you can't track it more than several laps. I think it' this one .

Pretty disappointing as I would probably want to Autox my mustang if I ever get it, and I do not think things like Advanced Track errors can be fixed by aftermarket. Rear diiff - yes, but so far that's pretty weighty solutions.

And add to that current AC issues with evap core and a bunch of other things... i was reading about wheel, suspension bearings, etc.

Makes me wonder if Ford will address these in the future or, is 2015-2017 is done deal already and will not be fixed with focus on 2018?

Seems to me they never refined 2015-2017 enough to make 2018 shine in reliability department.

Am I being paranoid, or maybe I think too much and issues are not that widespread?

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[Muff Muff]

They aren't issues, they're features!

People seem to forget these are NOT race cars; they weren't designed or intended to be ragged on at the track or strip as their main purpose. They were designed to be street cars first and foremost, with mild tracking abilities. Look no further than the fluids they come with from the factory to convince yourself of that. Do they provide an excellent platform to build off of? You bet, but taking any car, Mustang or McLaren, straight from the showroom to the track isn't a good idea.

 

[w3rkn]

Yes, ultra paranoid.

 

[accel]

They aren't issues, they're features!

People seem to forget these are NOT race cars; they weren't designed or intended to be ragged on at the track or strip as their main purpose. They were designed to be street cars first and foremost, with mild tracking abilities. Look no further than the fluids they come with from the factory to convince yourself of that.

Well AutoX course is pretty mild performance experience. Getting your car illuminated with a bunch of lights during is pretty frustrating.

 

[Muff Muff]

Well AutoX course is pretty mild performance experience. Getting your car illuminated with a bunch of lights during is pretty frustrating.

In terms of driving experience when it comes to racing, yes, AutoX is fairly mild. It's still much more intense than daily driving, though.

 

[airfuel]

Every car and every forum is littered with people complaining about things that break.

Nothing you can do about it.

 

[accel]

In terms of driving experience when it comes to racing, yes, AutoX is fairly mild. It's still much more intense than daily driving, though.

Well if you do not expect customers to get it to the track, why stuff it with systems that make you think you should, or you might be able to...

Heck, my honda accord had zero issues at autox...

 

[pjk]

I've auto crossed by GT PP at least half a dozen times with no issues. I'm not saying there isn't a problem just that I haven't seen anything in my car. I have an Auto Transmission so maybe that's a key difference in my setup. I'm a novice but still push as hard as I can.

The only thing that surprised me was the braking. I expected quicker stops given the glowing brake reviews but I'm guessing the weight just makes that really tough.

 

[Muff Muff]

Well if you do not expect customers to get it to the track, why stuff it with systems that make you think you should, or you might be able to...

Heck, my honda accord had zero issues at autox...

Welcome to Marketing 101!

 

[wildcatgoal]

Seems to me they never refined 2015-2017 enough to make 2018 shine in reliability department.

This I agree with completely and think it myself all the time. I see only one thing in the new 2018+ specs that addresses a common problem. I believe they are using a stronger/better wheel bearing in the 2018+ models. But, they retained the MT82 and it does not appear they attempted to address the clunky driveline these cars commonly exhibit (unless it's just still a mystery).

Instead they have added complexity by giving the car a 10-speed transmission (I would have rather had a strong, vastly more rapid-shifting 8-speed I think and it be available with the top "track package" whatever that ends up being called). And they gave the engine direct and port fuel injection, in an effort of course to increase power while maintaining efficiency... but we have yet to see numbers and there's no telling if this addressed the relatively (compared to competition) weak bottom end TQ.

Plus the front end... saw it in person... reminds me of how the front end droops weirdly on mid-2000s Mercedes CLS and R class vehicles. Looks right on a GT350 because it has a wider profile.

 

[merc123]

They are trying to start a class action lawsuit against GM for something very similar. If you provide a "feature" then you should build the car to be able to handle whatever the feature is used for.

https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/corve...-defect-that-leaves-cars-limping-on-the-track

 

[accel]

This I agree with completely and think it myself all the time. I see only one thing in the new 2018+ specs that addresses a common problem. I believe they are using a stronger/better wheel bearing in the 2018+ models. But, they retained the MT82 and it does not appear they attempted to address the clunky driveline these cars commonly exhibit (unless it's just still a mystery).

Instead they have added complexity by giving the car a 10-speed transmission (I would have rather had a strong, vastly more rapid-shifting 8-speed I think and it be available with the top "track package" whatever that ends up being called). And they gave the engine direct and port fuel injection, in an effort of course to increase power while maintaining efficiency... but we have yet to see numbers and there's no telling if this addressed the relatively (compared to competition) weak bottom end TQ.

Plus the front end... saw it in person... reminds me of how the front end droops weirdly on mid-2000s Mercedes CLS and R class vehicles. Looks right on a GT350 because it has a wider profile.

I feel pretty weird 'cause if I buy 2017 I might feel like at abandoned ship. If I opt for 2018 (which I also do not like aesthetically), I expect to deal with more issues that might not be resolved either in the end of the day...

 

[wildcatgoal]

2017 is fine. Some cars go bad, the vast majority don't.

 

[accel]

They are trying to start a class action lawsuit against GM for something very similar. If you provide a "feature" then you should build the car to be able to handle whatever the feature is used for.

https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/corve...-defect-that-leaves-cars-limping-on-the-track

Track is track, but imo, if the car cannot handle ~1min autocross run without throwing codes, it has serious limitations to say that politely.

 

[Dspec_S550]

In terms of driving experience when it comes to racing, yes, AutoX is fairly mild. It's still much more intense than daily driving, though.

Your daily driving it wrong then! :lol::lol:

I'm joking, don't flame me

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